Prodrive Mini WRC

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Originally Posted by sollitt

Not necessarily so at all NOT. In the 70's & 80's particularly, manufacturers embraced top privateers as enhancing their brand and shared the technology. The other difference was that a privateer was able to build their own car to the homologation and add their own expertise sometimes even eclipsing the manufacturers.

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and why those top privateers never shined on the stages then ???

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Originally Posted by JAM

Did you know the the car used in MC was not the italian car, but one from Prodrive? The Motorsport Italia's car was damaged at a fire in Prodrive, and they send one of their own cars.
Armindo made MC for the first time with only 60/70km testing some days before (the first test of the year starting from a zero setu-up). He only tested 60/70km because the car from Prodrive came late...

Prodrive didn't cut enough on this car by mistake :D

I have to say again (is the third or fourth time that i write this) that Armindo is not a top driver, is useless compare him with Sordo. Don't waste your time remembering me it.

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Sir, my comments were about driving I saw on stages not about result table. Slow car doesn't make You braking earlier than others, going off the throttle before crests etc. I don't have information to judge the level of car but I can judge what I see on stage.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Sir, my comments were about driving I saw on stages not about result table. Slow car doesn't make You braking earlier than others, going off the throttle before crests etc. I don't have information to judge the level of car but I can judge what I see on stage.

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And you saw the best rally that Armindo made this year, by a kind of mistake with the car set-up. :D

Now you can imagine the other rallyes where he was even slower...

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

the thing is i am not searching for excuses...you do, in order to support the fact that armindo is something more than another tourist who gets unfair treatment by a team he pays millions

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Forget Armindo, look at Campana and Flodin. Campana improved a lot when used a Prodrive Mini, but in a different rally. Flodin was faster when driving the S2000 Mini than the WRC, and with the WRC was very slow.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

...now why they would do that ???

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Good question. But as this this topic is spoiled, you have to question Cali because the guy seem to have all the answers.

MIMI are registering in the IRC so maybe MEEK will be active again.Sordo and del Barrio granted waiver to score IRC points in Corsica - News - IRC Intercontinental Rally Challenge - Eurosport

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Originally Posted by JAM

Forget Armindo, look at Campana and Flodin. Campana improved a lot when used a Prodrive Mini, but in a different rally. Flodin was faster when driving the S2000 Mini than the WRC, and with the WRC was very slow.



Good question. But as this this topic is spoiled, you have to question Cali because the guy seem to have all the answers.

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I'm a bit suprised on the discussion - historically it's a fact that factory car usually quicker than privat and real factory driver usually better than privat based on more testing more experience etc.
The Mini story a bit specific and unic and by logic there is no reason for Prodrive to limit MI cars (no fear that Armindo beat Sordo) - even more if they let run latest developments it's a good test etc.

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Originally Posted by Red bull

MIMI are registering in the IRC so maybe MEEK will be active again.Sordo and del Barrio granted waiver to score IRC points in Corsica - News - IRC Intercontinental Rally Challenge - Eurosport

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Prodrive will not run anything different than WRC this year. IRC, ERC and national championships are given to "partner" companies like Drive-Pro. Meek will drive only if somebody cover his costs and agree with Prodrive to lend him.

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Originally Posted by amilk

The Mini story a bit specific and unic and by logic there is no reason for Prodrive to limit MI cars (no fear that Armindo beat Sordo) - even more if they let run latest developments it's a good test etc.

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Totally agree with you. But the facts are on the table.

But more interesting: Why two private Minis JCW WRC were faster when were with the S2000 specs? It's strange that was a driver's problem... two drivers problem?

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Originally Posted by JAM

Totally agree with you. But the facts are on the table.

But more interesting: Why two private Minis JCW WRC were faster when were with the S2000 specs? It's strange that was a driver's problem... two drivers problem?

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for the same reason Villagra was very fast in a Group N car and a nobody in a WRC...

A WRC is a different animal, and not everyone is man enough to handle them.

It's in driver, not in machine.