[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

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22nd October 2009, 16:12
Retlub Ecaps

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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1

Ok, no attacking here but this is what I don't understand. Currently used in the Australian Championship.

For example and hypothetically:

20 stages in a rally

One driver wins points from 17 of them. Theoretically he has scored the most points because of the wins of stages. But in this case there has been a change of drivers coming in 2-5th positions of each stage so the points are all over the place.

The driver retired on stage 19 and is completely out of the rally. No restart.

Does that mean he doesn't win the rally because he retired - or he still wins because he has the most points?! That is unfair and a rally is to the end.

In that situation, according to what the FIA said, the driver's retirement would mean he cannot win the rally (and cannot even score championship points). Any driver who retires on any stage would not even appear in the final classification at the end of the rally -- if they re-entered the rally after retiring, they would only be able to compete for the daily podiums.

It sounds to me like the "bonus points" and stage rankings would only be used for the daily podiums, and the final classification for the rally would still be based on overall time, like it is now. The stage wins and such might affect the new Driver's Rankings they're also considering, but I don't know, because I haven't seen any details on how those rankings might work.

Anyway, you're right that there are a lot of issues with how exactly the scoring for the daily podiums should be done, and that kind of thing; if they do it wrong they could really screw up the sport. I think that's probably why they've decided not to make a decision on it yet.
22nd October 2009, 16:15
GigiGalliNo1

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Originally Posted by Retlub Ecaps

Issues like these are why they decided to defer the decision and discuss it more, I think. But in the situation you describe, the driver's retirement would mean he cannot win the rally. From what the FIA have said, any driver who retires on any stage will not be eligible for points at the end of a rally -- if they re-enter the rally after retiring, they will only be able to compete for the daily podiums, and will not be eligible for the final podium no matter how fast they drive. Cars that fail to complete any stage would not even be listed in the final overall results.

So whats the point of being rewarded points after each stage or day? Separate points to the overall result in points? or which ever if the end points are added with the end of stage/day points. Makes no sense.
22nd October 2009, 16:45
Retlub Ecaps

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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1

So whats the point of being rewarded points after each stage or day? Separate points to the overall result in points? or which ever if the end points are added with the end of stage/day points. Makes no sense.

Yeah, I think it's separate to the overall result points. My guess is that the stage/day points will go towards a driver's position in the Driver's Ranking they've mentioned, and would not count for the drivers' or manufacturers' championships.
22nd October 2009, 16:48
GigiGalliNo1

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Originally Posted by Retlub Ecaps

Yeah, I think it's separate to the overall result points. My guess is that the stage/day points will go towards a driver's position in the Driver's Ranking they've mentioned, and would not count for the drivers' or manufacturers' championships.

Difference between: Driver's Position in the Drivers Ranking (points) to Drivers Championship (points)?
22nd October 2009, 17:12
Retlub Ecaps

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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1

Difference between: Driver's Position in the Drivers Ranking (points) to Drivers Championship (points)?

The Driver's Ranking is a new thing the FIA is considering -- it's mentioned in the article I linked before. They don't really give any details; I'm just guessing that they'll base it on bonus points/stage results because that's the only thing I can think of that makes the FIA's statements make any sense.

I think what they're trying to do is keep the Drivers Championship the same as it is now, but also add new, separate elements to the WRC to try to give it more appeal for the media and potential new fans. They think it might give the media more reason to cover each stage and each day's action instead of just doing a summary at the end. And they think that it might help sustain interest of people who aren't hardcore fans, since the Drivers Ranking would be a reason to keep watching even if the driver they liked had a couple of retirements and fell out of contention for the Drivers Championship.

A lot of people here seem to feel that the WRC is boring these days because there's so little competition at the top level. I think that a Drivers Ranking, if it worked like I'm guessing it would, might help that a little because crashing out would not be as severe a points loss for the Ranking as it is in the Championships. Also, if the top places are pretty much secure towards the end of a rally and all those drivers are just focused on getting to the end, it would provide some incentive for drivers further back to go flat-out and drive for stage wins to try to grab points for the Drivers Ranking. Might help keep things a little more interesting. As long as they don't change how points are scored for the Championships, I'm willing to look at the Drivers Ranking thing with an open mind.

I want to be clear, though: I'm just trying to explain what I think the FIA is trying to do -- I'm not saying I agree with all of it. And it's possible that I'm completely wrong anyway. :D
22nd October 2009, 17:16
jbmarcus21

Finnish forumist...

what this article would say ??

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uut...2009/10/980411

Raikkonen, Grönholm, Solberg ??? Built a team or just one event in Sweden Rally ?
22nd October 2009, 17:17
GigiGalliNo1

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Originally Posted by Retlub Ecaps

I want to be clear, though: I'm just trying to explain what I think the FIA is trying to do -- I'm not saying I agree with all of it. And it's possible that I'm completely wrong anyway. :D

I geddit! I'm just very confused with what they potentially mean with two or three point systems for drivers, manu's and positions. Why make it more confusing?! But will have to wait and see when the new regs officially come out!
22nd October 2009, 17:26
Hartusvuori

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Originally Posted by jbmarcus21

Finnish forumist...

what this article would say ??

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uut...2009/10/980411

Raikkonen, Grönholm, Solberg ??? Built a team or just one event in Sweden Rally ?

Just rumours that Petter Solberg have negoatiated with Marcus that Marcus would join PSWRT for Sweden 2010. Marcus stays tight-lipped.

Also, Petter is saying that he's been in contact with Räikkönen's manager or someone about Räikkönen's possible interested to join PSWRT for next season with C4 WRC. Räikkönen's manager Steve Robertson however says he have never heard anything from Solberg's offer before asked by MTV3 journalist.
22nd October 2009, 17:29
kaarlov

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Originally Posted by jbmarcus21

Finnish forumist...

what this article would say ??

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uut...2009/10/980411

Raikkonen, Grönholm, Solberg ??? Built a team or just one event in Sweden Rally ?

It says that Petter Solberg confirmed that he has made an offer to Kimi's representative to have Kimi to drive C4 for his rally team next season. He also tries to get Marcus to drive the Swedish Rally

In related news Kimi's manager Steve Robertson claimed he hasn't even heard about such offer.
22nd October 2009, 17:32
jbmarcus21

Thanks ;)

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