Prodrive Mini WRC

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Originally Posted by JAM

And another thing about this Prodrive saga. Prodrive shouldn't complain about Mini lack of support. Mini supported all the terms that were on the agreement, it was Prodrive that failled in finding sponsors to this year, and is Prodrive that failled in selling cars (one of their source of money to the project).

And i repeat, with the perfomance shown by private Mini's, its dificult to sell cars. Prodrive should look at this, as one of the reasons of why people don't buy Mini JCW WRC. The private Mini's are all slow, the slow drivers that drive these cars are being even slower. Daniel Oliveira proved that is much much faster in a private Fiesta than was in a private Mini.

He have a lot of examples that prove my point, so i don't understand why someone have doubts about what i say.

And there's a lot of things that could be said, but i think this is enough and these evidences are public.

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Jam Jam Jam, you are suggesting that Prodrive has made serious mistakes. Now I kind of lean that way but think that means God's Own Chosen Son on Earth Dave Richard's company will have made errors and that is sacrilegious.

Nothing Dave Richards even stands near could ever be wrong, since he is a genius.....in his own mind.

I saw myself Armindo in a Mini only twice - in Finland 2011 and in Monte Carlo 2012. In the first event he was in my eyes driving really very slow, fully comparable style with René Kuipers (not with much faster Dennis). I remember that because it was really disappointing for me. Half a year later in Monte Carlo it was sure better especially during last leg but still nothing really impressive comparing with for example Novikov and nowhere near Sordo.

multiply the things JAM says about armindo 5 times and you got the average Greek rally fan when it comes to supporting the greek tourists.

Armindo is nothing...he won the Pwrc cup of nothingness a few years back and that is that.

It is obvious, that Sordo and Araújo aren't on same level. But it is also a fact, that Prodrive's customer cars are slower than the current "factory" ones, leastways the Subarus was. Just another map to the ECU, and job is done.

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Originally Posted by wrchirek

But it is also a fact, that Prodrive's customer cars are slower than the current "factory" ones

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how can you make such a claim wen the difference in driving level is HUGE...

Of course they are downgraded and it is expected but not to the point that a capable driver will not be able to be competitive... teams are not stupid to give technical knowledge freely to competition...

Seeing the Mini pictures from Corsica the tendency still there - the BP livery dominate more and more on the car.
Ford sponsored by Castrol. Castrol is part of BP......
For sure there are plans for 2013 for Mini otherwise they (BMW?) don't spend money for testing, new homologisations etc this year.....maybe with BP. Don't know how long the contract between Castrol and Ford......
I'M just speculating as watching the nice Corsica livery of Sordo.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

how can you make such a claim wen the difference in driving level is HUGE...

Of course they are downgraded and it is expected but not to the point that a capable driver will not be able to be competitive... teams are not stupid to give technical knowledge freely to competition...

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You said the same as me: there is difference between both drivers and cars. And how much? Maybe nobody knows.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Of course they are downgraded and it is expected .......... teams are not stupid to give technical knowledge freely to competition...

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And that, right there, is exactly the problem with the WRC today!

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Originally Posted by sollitt

And that, right there, is exactly the problem with the WRC today!

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it was always like that when a manufacturer was involved... in the 70s 80s 90s ects ects....

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Half a year later in Monte Carlo it was sure better especially during last leg but still nothing really impressive comparing with for example Novikov and nowhere near Sordo.

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Did you know the the car used in MC was not the italian car, but one from Prodrive? The Motorsport Italia's car was damaged at a fire in Prodrive, and they send one of their own cars.
Armindo made MC for the first time with only 60/70km testing some days before (the first test of the year starting from a zero setu-up). He only tested 60/70km because the car from Prodrive came late...

Prodrive didn't cut enough on this car by mistake :D

I have to say again (is the third or fourth time that i write this) that Armindo is not a top driver, is useless compare him with Sordo. Don't waste your time remembering me it.