That's the beauty of Windows 8 :) It should be able to do both properly :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
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That's the beauty of Windows 8 :) It should be able to do both properly :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I guess it all depends what sort of devices you want to own :) For me a gaming laptop is a no-no. If I'm going to have something portable I want it to be relatively light and gaming laptops are a nightmare in terms of heat. My gaming machine is rocking a Sandy Bridge Core i5 2500k a 4850 or 4870 (can't remember which!) graphics card, a 120gb Corsair Force GT SSD and 8 gig of RAM. It's pretty pokey although it could use a new graphics card if I'm honest. I'm going to do a bit of gaming this afternoon to stretch her legs a little :D I've just removed the protective plastic covering from my P183 today after about 20 months of ownership :pQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
I like the ASUS design a lot as it may be just what I'm looking for. Its expensive and would be at the same level as the most expensive iPhone, substantially more than other top end phones though. I'd have to wait until a few hands on reviews before plumping for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
As for the patents I realise you don't understand how the system works which is why you probably resent the Apple court case so much. The system is not there to allow monopolies to develop and flourish but has to strike a balance between encouraging different solutions to a problem to exist while protecting intellectual property.
You posted links to Motorola's flipphone in another thread and claimed they should have patented their idea. They did.
However they cannot patent the idea of a folding phone which is too broad a stroke. They have to specify in detail what that entails, how it would open/close and what functions the relative parts perform. IIRC Motorola flipphones had the battery and keypad in one section while the other section contained all the electronics, that would have been specified in their patent. Other manufacturers were free to develop flipphones as long as they did not infringe Motorola's specific patents and I don't believe any other manufacturer introduced a phone that had the functions split across the phone the way Motorola's did. Some only had a microphone in the folding part of the phone, others didn't even have that and just had a plastic keypad cover that folded out. They are still flipphones but didn't infringe Motorola's specific patent.
Therefore ASUS can patent their particular cariety of a machine that splits up into a phone and tablet but they cannot patent the whole idea of a phone/tablet system. Other makers can come up with their variations on that theme as long as they don't infringe upon ASUS' specific patent.
I hope that helps.
ASUS make decent hardware. I like their motherboards and GPUs. Their laptops also seem to be solidly built. Android will take care of the software part as far as the phone and tablet go. After sales service is where they might be lacking initially, but that can be ramped up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
I'll admit first off that my knowledge of the patent process is lacking. But wasn't one of Apple's patent rounded corners of a device, for which they sued Samsung for? Didn't Apple win the case only in US, and not anywhere else? Aren't Apple's revenues a small, but important part of the American economy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
The reason I put the Motorola link in the other thread was because IMO Motorola could have patented the flip phone design entirely. I mean they invented it, who stops them? There have been hundreds of innovations in the world of electronics over the past two decades. I mean all flat screen TVs look the same, several phone companies copied Motorola, Nokia, Samsung and Sony Ericsson designs by the dozen throughout the 90s and 2000s. But no one was as anal as Apple about the overall look of a device, the exact cm, radii etc. The ridiculousness of the lawsuit is proven by Apple's victory only in the US, Apple's backyard. You can't tell me the rest of the world's judicial system is not as good as that of the USA.
What this has done is opened up a whole new pandora's box where companies have now realized that they can sue willy-nilly and stifle the competition, proof being since the Apple Samsung battle, smartphone lawsuits have ramped up with Nokia suing HTC, LG suing Apple, and now Motorola and Samsung suing Apple.
Motorola
Samsung sues Apple over iPhone 5 - Telegraph
Earlier at least you could have similar looking gadgets with a different OS and different characteristics, not anymore. I'm not saying a company isn't allowed to protect their IP or patents they worked so hard on refining. Hell, sue everyone if they're blatantly copying. Hardware or software similarity have always existed in the phone industry. But lawsuits for such petty issues as rounded corners leave a bad taste in the mouth.
There are two legal issues here. I think you're confusing the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
One is patent protection. The other is brand identity protection. Those are not the formal legal words which I've forgotten but I'm sure someone will let you know what they are.
Apple didn't patent the angles of their corners, patents are to do with technology IIRC. Apple argued that Samsung were copying the look and feel of their iPhone and were therefore infringing upon their brand.
Take a look at similar cases like Starbucks:
Michael Atkins - Seattle Trademark Lawyer - Chinese Official Explains How His Court Calculated Infringement*Damages
You could reduce this case to Starbucks having a monopoly on green and black circular logos with white lettering too, doesn't that sound really trivial of Starbucks?
Or how about this?
BMW loses court battle to chinese X5 clone
BMW getting petty about some Chinese car maker using four circular headlamps, a Hoffmeister kink and kidney grilles. What are the Germans playing at?
Or can you see the other side? That a manufacturer who builds up a brand and a design language may want to protect that brand and look? And that a banal description of that look may look pathetic to you (its all about the angles of the corners and buttons after all) but may be of great commercial value to the victor?
What you seem to be suggesting to me is that its absolutely fine for one company to copy the look and feel of another company's products instead of forging ahead with its own brand design. I don't agree.
No, Motorola couldn't. The patent system stops them as I tried to explain earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
The patenting system isn't there to crush competition. If Motorola was allowed to patent phones that fold as a whole idea then noone else would be able to make anything similar or they'd have to pay fees. This would promote a monopoly, therefore the patenting system is designed to stop this from happening.
As I explained Motorola would have had to go into tremendous detail in their patent regarding how the phone folded and what was on either side of the hinge. That is why I mentioned that Motorola phones had the battery and keypad on one half and the gubbins and earpiece on the other, because thats what they would have patented. Other phone makers could sidestep the patent by having different flip devices, hence why other makers only had mics in the flip part or even just a plastic flap with no other function.
If you designed a time machine you would have to explain exactly what mechanism you use for it to do its job. You cannot patent the idea of a time machine itself. If I then develop and market another time machine you must prove that my device uses the exact same mechanism as yours or was derived from it to prove I infringed your patent.
Are you really trying to tell me that electronics companies didn't sue each other before Apple came along with this lawsuit? Really? Frankly that you believe that beggars belief. Maybe you should pay more attention to the finance pages because firstly what Apple did is nothing in terms of inter-corporate legal suits and secondly they are very very far from being the first company to be engaged in this kind of behaviour. Maybe you should read a bit about Microsoft's history for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
At the end of the day, I could care less about who wins the legal battles. Not really interested in what happens in the courtrooms.
What I want is a gadget which has the best of both worlds. If I don't like Apple's walled garden treatment, I shouldn't be forced to buy their products. Neither should features in my phone be blocked or removed. Mobile phone and smartphone features have long been filtered and trickled down into various different devices from different manufacturers. Never were devices banned or stupid things like phone unlocking pattern asked to be removed. Yes, there were minor lawsuits, but never this sudden anal control-freakery as what Apple did when they sued Samsung. They obviously felt threatened by Samsung's rise as their main competitor, and then chose the legal route. Why else would they wait two years?
When companies start to patent innovation, that's one step towards monopoly, especially ignoring the fact that their own OS copied many elements and was originally inspired by Palm OS.
Isn't it weird that Apple only won in their backyard, the USA, amidst allegations of mishandling of evidence? Doesn't it strike you as a weird coincidence? They lost everywhere else. A UK judge even ordered Apple, hilariously, to post on their website that Samsung didn't copy them.
That's a sweet setup. I built a gaming PC in 2009 with a Core 2 Quad 2.6 Ghz CPU, 4 gig of RAM, Radeon 4870 (same card!) and a basic 1 TB 7200 RPM HDD. A year later added an ASUS Xonar DX 7.1. The old boy still plays all the latest games at high quality, thanks to most of them being console ports I guess. I'm sure I'll have to upgrade once the next gen consoles come in next year, because that's when the gaming world will be ramping up the quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
My gaming laptop doesn't really give me any trouble with heat, but that's because I'm living in a cold area ATM. When I travel to hotter places, I make sure to have a cooler with me. The side vent does throw up devil's breath sometimes during heavy gaming.
Happy gaming!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I suggest if you don't want to try and understand the process you cease commenting on them. That way you'll stop looking silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
I agree except where features are deemed to have been copied. I don't see why its deemed acceptable by you that because you don't like one company it should be ok for others to try and copy them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
I don't like many features of Apple's behaviour but I believe their competitors should beat them by making a better and different product, not a clone. That way I get a variety of products to choose from and not just Apple and Apple-lite.
The previous cases were only minor because the court judgements affected smaller markets or were less decisive. What the companies were asking for though (Apple included but certainly not exclusively) was always the banning of rival products or major changes to their function.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Sorry CR but this is awful. You can't write rubbish like this and be taken seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Patenting exists to protect innovation. Its there to allow people and companies to invest in new technologies safe in the knowledge that their investment can be recouped in the future (if successful) without others copying them and cashing in without cost.
Its also designed not to be restrictive enough to prevent rivals from coming up with similar solutions as long as they are not copied. Its a difficult balance but its there to promote innovation and competition.
Well, then what are you doing in the mobile phones and tablets thread? :p Isn't there a legal-tosh-get-touchy-about-Apple-patronize-and-throw-childish insults thread somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Where did I say it is okay for anybody to copy anything? Galaxy S2 nor Galaxy S3 is in any way, shape or form an iPhone clone. Android is in no way an iOS clone. It is a better OS with far more versatility and plenty more features. With their latest iterations, it seems to me that Google has innovated and gone ahead with Android, whereas iOS has stayed the same. How is that copying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Were they banned because of something as trivial as rounded corners though? Why was the Korean company bullied and banned in USA and not anywhere else? You seem to be conveniently ignoring this question in your replies Malbec. What is it, ADD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Whether you like it or not, innovative products have always inspired design for decades now. Companies have been copying each other forever. There may have been plenty of lawsuits over the last two decades, but none of them with such drastic outcomes. Again, why were Apple successful only in the United States?
Please explain first why was this lawsuit taken seriously ONLY in the USA, and then carry on with your pathetic flaming. As you have mentioned before, there have been plenty of lawsuits like this by phone manufacturers, I am sure, especially about edges, rounded corners, plastic buttons, logo placement, box design, enter password to unlock phone etc. Why didn't any of those companies win in the USA and the court put a ban on their rivals?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
so has anyone else had the problem with either Iphone 4s or Ipad 2 losing ability to connect to Wifi since upgrading to IOS6? My wifes phone has failed and having done some digging it seems there are hundreds or reported cases cropping up worldwide, with the only definitive fix being downgrading back to IOS5, or having Apple replace the phone (it seems to indiscriminantly target phones, some older, some brand new, even some of the replacements offered by apple. Clearly there is a hardware compatability issue somewhere where some of the phones are not working with the new software, but from what i've read Apple don't have an answer on when they will (if they will) roll out an upgraded IOS6 to solve the problem or if they will just have to replace a bunch more 4s's. either way its a trip to the Apple store next week to see if we can argue for a replacement, having tried about half a dozen supposed fixes to get the WiFi button back