I had more in mind the Drivers title.
I cannot think of many occasions when a constructors title has been won by less than the equal to best car.
There have been a few times a Drivers title has been won with an inferior car.
Printable View
I had more in mind the Drivers title.
I cannot think of many occasions when a constructors title has been won by less than the equal to best car.
There have been a few times a Drivers title has been won with an inferior car.
Oh I see. However, I still think it's a far fetching statement to say that someone else could have taken enough points from _the rival_ (Vettel) to make Alonso take WDC titles in say 2010 or 2012. Massa is the _last_ person/thing to be blamed for that. Massa was thrown under the bus to help Alonso several times. Besides the team orders, we don't know how many times Massa's car was a guinea pig for experimental parts or tire strategies. If Ferrari's second driver was good enough to be able to deny enough points to Vettel to help Alonso, this driver would also inevitably end up taking some points from Alonso as well, which brings us back to where we started. Realistically, I think Alonso in the end really badly needed a slightly better car, the one that could do better in qualifying, specially in 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
I agree that the F2012 was just not good enough.
I also agree that, certainly toward the end of the season, Massa was sacrificed for the bigger prize.
But, when the F2012 was capable of taking some points off Vettel (Spain, Britain, Germany and possibly Spa), then only once, in Britain, did Massa even look like capable of doing so.
Were those races ones where Massa was sacrificed for tactics and to do work for Alonso?
I fear that Massa is now too far away, in consistency, to be a positive attribute.
I am happy to accept the rationale that you propose that he did do work for Alonso. I don't think it was as much throughout the season to be accountable for all the races he was absent, but they are good and valid ideas.
Ferrari has been the better race car than Mercedes in many races. Also, it has been a better car than the Lotus. Not counting Red Bull, which has obviously been the very dominant car once again, Ferrari is overall probably the best car. But I expect this to change by the end of the year, Mercedes for one will end up being the overall better car.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
I didn't think he had the intelligence to be able to register at a forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Felipe is still a very fast driver and can compete with Alonso pacewise when he is doing well, but he cannot match Alonso's consistency. To add to the problem, Felipe is emotionally a very fragile driver and the current atmosphere at Ferrari, where he was obviously made nr.2 driver since the first race of 2010, is something that is too hard for him to handle. So his performances suffer. I can see Ferrari still keeping him for a year, because Bianci is not ready, Hulk is dissapointing this year and I really hope Kimi will not go there. There are no other serious candidates for the seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
He is far too emotional and stupid for that.Quote:
Perhaps Luca should look in the mirror the next time he wishes to find someone to lambast?
Four years of number one threatment, a car that clearly was at the sharp end 2010 and 2012.
Fernando, I hope that you get something like the Brawn 2009 car next year like Button, because you need it.
Massa should like Webber move on to something else while he is still young and capable. His morale is probably shattered after all the events since his 2008 title battle loss. Changing the environment may be good in this situation. But then again, maybe he just wants to hang at Ferrari as long as he can.
It is interesting that it is claimed that Ferrari operated Fernando as outright Number 1 in 2010, when the races at Melbourne and Monte Carlo showed that, at the time, they did not. Arguably, that lost the title.
Ferrari, in truth, have not had a car at the sharp end, all season long, since 2008.
Perhaps that was an early indication of the lack of strength with Domenicali. Even Luca has said that he needs to be more ruthless, more willing to upset the team. Just as in 2008 when development was allowed to go in Massa's favour, away from Kimi.
I could never understand why that happened, nor why Kimi did not enforce his position.
Anyone who was voted best driver in like 3 out of 4 of the last years,or something, by the drivers themselves, could make you eat those words :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
I saw this :confused:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow
Fernando would have had the title in Seb's car in 2009 already! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01