And of course it's a question of supply and demand. They are trying to sell it for this price and maybe they will find someone who will pay for it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
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And of course it's a question of supply and demand. They are trying to sell it for this price and maybe they will find someone who will pay for it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
[QUOTE=Sulland;1371357]Why is this one so Expensive?
https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/toyota-yaris-gr-rally2/ [/QUOTE]
RedGrey Team offers for sale tarmac or gravel spec Yaris Rally2 #030.
Full rebuild, regardless of cost. Lot of new parts. Chassis fully painted.
But the homologations of rally2 cars will expire at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
11.12.2024
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-t...isnt-feasible/
“The current plan is for homologation of Rally2 cars to stop at the end of 2026, with the final year of Rally2 homologation validity ending in 2030, car dependent.”
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-...c-2027-so-far/Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
“Mestelan: “If you compare the current Rally 1 with the new WRC27, they will, in fact, be very similar [in shape and size] The main difference will be the height of the car. The new one will be 20 millimeters higher for the obvious safety advantage. But in terms of width and so on, it will be very similar. For the weight, both [WRC27 and Rally2] cars will be very similar.”
Project Rally One, headed up by Yves Matton and Lionel Hansen, is the first new constructor to confirm its WRC 2027 entry
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The World Rally Championship has its first confirmed ‘constructor’ for the 2027 season, with former Citroën team principal Yves Matton jointly heading the development of Project Rally One.
The announcement of the new car, which is intended to be ready for the start of the 2027 season, comes just one week on from the FIA World Motor Sport Council’s confirmation of a more inclusive constructor framework. In just over 12 months, the WRC will allow independent tuners to build and run cars alongside and against original equipment manufacturers in the race for the inaugural FIA WRC constructors’ crown.
Designed to the FIA’s all-new WRC27 regulations – which stipulate a tubular spaceframe safety cell, double wishbone suspension, four-wheel drive and a 1600cc turbocharged engine – the first Project Rally One chassis is complete with prototype assembly underway and the car’s first test set for spring next year.
Experienced motorsport engineer and co-founder of Project Rally One, Lionel Hansen, said: “The entry of Project Rally One to the FIA World Rally Championship is a hugely important moment for us. To be the first to present a new car for the WRC’s next era is something we are extremely proud of.
“The introduction of the WRC27 regulations gave us the opportunity to take the step into the championship. The new technical framework creates the right environment for independent projects like ours, allowing us to develop a car from the ground up and compete against manufacturers at the highest level.
“The progress we have already made gives us real confidence in the direction we are taking. With the chassis complete and the prototype now in assembly, we are in a strong position as we prepare for the first shakedown this spring and continue development towards the car’s debut.”
FIA sets out requirements for WRC27 constructors
The car, which will have to meet the regulated €345,000 cost cap, is being developed with a particular focus on suspension and geometry optimisation, weight distribution and reliability. Once homologated, it will retain that status for the next 10 years.
FIA deputy president for sport Malcolm Wilson said the new car demonstrated WRC27 regulations were succeeding in the stated aim of lowering the barrier to WRC entry for tuners to compete against manufacturers.
“The arrival of Project Rally One is a significant moment for the FIA World Rally Championship,” he said. “It confirms that the move toward a more cost-effective and accessible technical framework is already generating new engagement with the sport. Attracting new entrants is essential for the long-term growth of the WRC, and it is encouraging to see other tuners preparing to compete alongside manufacturers.”
Four years in the making, FIA chief technical and safety officer Xavier Mestelan Pinon said the new rules were delivering on president Mohammed Ben Sulayem’s promise.
Mestelan Pinon said: “The vision for WRC27 was first laid out when FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem called for a regulatory framework that would reduce costs, broaden participation and ensure long-term stability for the FIA World Rally Championship. Over the past four years, we have worked to develop a regulatory framework that places safety, affordability, flexibility and accessibility at its heart, creating a formula that is attractive to new entrants to the championship.
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The first Project One chassis is complete with testing to begin in the spring
“The entry of Project Rally One to the FIA World Rally Championship is a clear indication that this vision is taking shape. By opening homologation to tuners and introducing a cost-effective long-term technical framework for the category, we have created an environment where tuners can enter the WRC on equal terms with manufacturers. Project Rally One illustrates exactly what this vision was designed to achieve, and it confirms that the new era of the FIA World Rally Championship is already beginning to deliver the growth and diversity the sport needs.”
WRC Promoter’s director of sport Peter Thul said the move demonstrated confidence in the series. He added: “The fact that this comes so soon on the back of the announcement of the WRC27 regulations confirms the appetite from the automotive world to be part of the pinnacle of rallying. It fills us with confidence that this will be just the first of many such announcements to come.
“We, as the promoter, are here to help Lionel [Hansen] and Yves [Matton] to reach their ambitions and we are certain that the mix of WRC27-homologated cars alongside the existing Rally2 cars will generate one of the deepest fields of competition in the WRC in recent memory.”
Ten of the new Project Rally One cars will need to be produced within 24 months of the homologation date, while Hansen and Matton must commit two cars to at least 50% of the WRC calendar in its first season of competition. From then on, at least 10 race-ready cars must be commercially available.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/new-c...ters-wrc-2027/
Official one as well: https://www.wrc.com/en/news/project-...ctor-from-2027Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Interesting.
Will be nice to see this against the Toyota Celica WRCar (which yes, it's built and in testing) :D
Looks like a buggy to me! I'm a great fan of off road racing in Europe like the Tout Terrain championship in France and this feels awfully like this is the way the WRC is heading with this new formula. Ironically I'd prefer the Rally 2 approach but looks like I'm in the minority!
Just been thinking that Colin McRae saw the future back in the early 2000s with the McRae R4, guess the FIA must have remembered that car also..
The important thing is that another constructor is coming, then if a manufacturer wants to "sponsor" it with some millions, it will be easy to fix the bodywork to make it resemble a production car.
Also, for manufacturers not fully interested in committing the full necessary budget, it would be cheaper to team up with an existing tuner, cutting the R&D costs. Results are not that important, Skoda in the early 2000s invaded the Greek market just because they were around at Rally Acropolis (like, seriously, Fabia and Octavia were very common models to be seen around Greek cities).
looks like a porsche to some people around (also looking at the wall in the pictures...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
question: if a "tuner" has to use a "constructor" mechanical package, are they using toyota's wrc27? or can they use a rally2 package?
Pictures are of Porsche build that they sell: Porsche 992 Rally GTQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler
FIA changed it and both tuner and manufacturer = constructor. So they just can develop it on their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
I don't think you are in the minority among rally fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
At least poor Colin planned to make some road version of the R4 to sell to the public...
The rumoured new Celica is a low-slung sports coupe. A WRC27 version with the new (taller than Rally1) spaceframe ? Are you sure you dont mean Corolla ?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
So Mr. deephouse can you explain how the Project Rally One can enter WRC when the developement cost is 20 milion?Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
i'm sure their dev cost will be nowhere near toyota's...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
Seen it with my eye balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
This is the most exciting and positive news I've heard from WRC world for a while. Best of luck to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Have you seen photos with bodywork?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
Dont need to! I love off road racing and in fact spent more time around NORC events last year than rallying and know what most base chassis look like. Check out the Lofthouse Freelander for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Been doing some more thinking since my original post and you know what I never thought twice at the time that most of the Group B cars bore little or no resemblance to machines in the manufacturer ranges. A RS200 minus its front and back bodywork wasnt too disimilar to the image of the Matton car. Its just that they were manufacturer teams and not like single seaters built by men in sheds.
Happy to review when more info and images become available.
To be fair, the RS200 was built by Reliant, and that ‘factory’ could easily have been classed as a shed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
True but we dont need to go back to those days!
Group B tubular frames didn't look much different.
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Not sure what you're calling a buggy. If it's cause it looks 'off-roady', fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
Just had a quick look at those - look production rail chasses based to me. I ran the reg of this one, it checks out and even has a current MOT. Maybe they removed front and rear sub assemblies to do their own thing, don't know without more sources. Still a car.
Porsche speculation, more info tonight ?!
https://rallyjournal.com/speculation...e-be-involved/
I can definitely see the appeal for Porsche.
Assuming a significant amount of the funding is sourced elsewhere i.e. an MSport/Ford type team model, it could be a relatively low cost way for Porsche to remain competing in a world championship given their withdrawal from WEC.
And they are not continuing in WEC. And they have struggles with EVs and profit, and image in general due to those no-personality--looking EVs. Plus talk on the street is that the first Tycan was not a good quality and its prices in the aftermarket are melting like a snow in the spring, thus very unhappy owners, etc etc.
Porsche needs to do smth to get back on track. Let us see, it would be a big gain for WRC if their brand somehow turns up in the context of 2027.
It's early speculation about Porsche, but it would be a gamble for such a premium brand to show itself in WRC when there's such strong opposition from mainstream firms Toyota.
Would be a massive change in Porsche's stance to be going rallying "officially". Ok so Prodrive ran the Group B cars but a "factory" backed programme competing against less than premium brands would never have flown back in the day.
Porsche are still in GT racing, which is their natural habitat. I don't see any works supported/sponsored program like Ford M-Sport happening, for the reasons you are all saying.
The only hope is that since Prospeed has always worked with Porsche in GT, they might get some "help" from national importer?
FIA unveils WRC27 Rally1 concept set to define the next generation of rally machinery
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...?itok=E0n6sYr8
The Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA), the global governing body for motor sport and the federation for mobility organisations worldwide, has today revealed a first look at the car concept that will form the foundation of the FIA World Rally Championship from 2027.
First approved by the World Motor Sport Council in 2024 following extensive consultation with WRC stakeholders, the WRC27 regulations establish a framework designed to improve accessibility, flexibility and cost control at rallying’s elite level, while preserving the performance and spectacle that define the championship.
The WRC27 Rally1 concept provides the first visual representation of these principles, translating the regulatory framework into a clear vision for the future of the FIA World Rally Championship.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...?itok=3QNEGaRp
A safety-led foundation
At the core of the WRC27 concept sits its tubular frame safety cell, building on the structure introduced with the 2022 Rally1 cars. Developed through extensive simulation, benchmarking and prototype crash testing, the new safety cell delivers high levels of occupant protection while reducing overall complexity and cost. Compared to previous generations, the structure offers significant improvements in intrusion reduction and energy absorption across frontal, side, roof and rear impact scenarios.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...?itok=OactZT9M
Flexible vehicle design
Surrounding the safety cell is a bodywork framework designed to prioritise flexibility. Rather than requiring cars to be derived from current production models, the WRC27 regulations define a reference volume within which all exterior panels must sit.
Within this volume, Constructors are free to develop a wide range of designs, from production-based designs to bespoke rally concepts. Aerodynamic devices on the new car have also been simplified to reduce development costs and technical complexity.
A Constructor future
The WRC27 regulations open the championship’s top category to a wider range of competitors by bringing both OEMs (Manufacturers) and Tuners under a single definition of Constructors.
In defining both entities as Constructors, the WRC27 regulations broaden the field and strengthen competition at the highest level.
Under the regulations, a Constructor is defined as the entity responsible for the design and construction of a WRC27 car, its presentation to the FIA for homologation, and the marketing of the car and its associated parts.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...?itok=zar7kYPG
Accessible performance
Accessible performance sits at the heart of the WRC27 package, with the target to reduce the performance delta that currently exists between the top-tier and second-tier of competition and make it easier for young drivers to reach the performance window without the need for extensive car-specific testing.
The cars will be powered by 1.6-litre turbocharged internal combustion engine producing around 290 horsepower, paired with a four-wheel-drive powertrain and a five-speed gearbox. The suspension is set out in a double wishbone configuration, with braking and steering systems derived from current Rally2 specifications, delivering a cost-effective, high-performance package suited to the unique demands of the FIA World Rally Championship.
The WRC27 car is built around a tubular frame chassis, defined within a vehicle footprint with a minimum length of 4100 mm, a maximum length of 4300 mm, a maximum width of 1875 mm, a minimum wheelbase of 2600 mm and a minimum height of 1270 mm, within which Constructors are free to create a wide range of designs.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...?itok=topvzAVR
A restructuring of the Rally Pyramid
As the FIA World Rally Championship enters its next regulatory cycle, WRC27 cars will compete alongside existing Rally2 machinery in the top category, bringing together a broad mix of competitive cars at the highest level of international rallying.
A future-ready powertrain platform
Powertrain flexibility sits at the core of the WRC27 philosophy. While the initial target configuration for the first years of the regulations cycle is a sustainably fuelled 1.6-litre turbocharged internal combustion engine, the framework allows for the future introduction of alternative powertrains.
Reducing the cost of competition
Reducing the cost of competing at rallying’s elite level has been a central objective of the WRC27 regulations. The price of a ready-to-compete car has been capped at €345,000 for a tarmac specification, representing a reduction of more than 50 per cent compared to the outgoing formula.
These savings are delivered through component cost specifications and improved durability, reducing both purchase and replacement costs over the course of a season. The regulations also target reductions in operating costs through limits on personnel, reduced logistical requirements, increased use of local facilities and enhanced data connectivity to support off-site engineering.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...?itok=wXXi63SQ
FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem said “The WRC27 regulations represent a pivotal moment for the FIA World Rally Championship. They establish a framework focused on cost control, sustainability and accessibility, while safeguarding the performance and technical challenge that define rallying at the highest level. The WRC27 Rally1 concept shows how these principles come together and set the direction for development of the next generation of rally machinery.”
FIA Deputy President for Sport, Malcolm Wilson, commented “Flexibility is a defining feature of the WRC27 regulations. The new Rally1 concepts that we have released have been designed to these specifications, demonstrating how that flexibility can be applied in practice. They highlight, for the first time, the range of technical solutions and vehicle concepts that can be developed within the framework, while still meeting the demands of top-level FIA World Rally Championship competition.”
Peter Thul, WRC Promoter Director of Sport, said: “We as the Promoter welcome the new regulations which put a major focus on affordability. We are absolutely confident this will lead to an increase in manufacturers and now, constructors, competing at the pinnacle of our sport. There has been a positive, open dialect from all parties throughout this process to date and we now need to continue to work together to ensure 2027 heralds in the greatest era of the WRC.”
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...?itok=RJJ0ws0V
https://www.fia.com/news/fia-unveils...ally-machinery
So Macan coupe it is.. kind of.
what up with that logo? we kinda know wrc already have a new promoter that is still finalizing some things, right...?
will redbull still be the one in 2026 or the new guys are taking over from jan 1?
I look forward to hearing in commentary about the Project Rally One WRC27 Rally1 in 2027 WRC season.
Good! The more the better! Dont care what it looks like. Want cheaper cars, more entries, more competition, more stories...
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So the new WRC27 Cars will be called Rally1 but they'll be competing against the existing Rally2 Cars. That's not confusing at all ...
Nothing in these pressers or reports said 'production engine' or similar.
Currently, couldn't someone just come in with a Coupe car and make it a WRC25/26 spec?
What were the regulations when the Focus (Hatch), Xsara (Liftback), Subaru/Mitsu (Sedan) and Peugeot (Coupe) were around?