Emn.. no?
Sprint races have own points.
Main race on Sunday has 25-18 etc system + top10 driver with fastest lap gets +1p
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nice meet the crews on rally tv now
this complaining here doesnt give anything, like FIA said they are monitorin it during the season and if needed they will change, so write to them if its anyway possible.
it was known before the season started that this may happen that the winner gets less points than others and i would say this weeks rally was crazy and different in that sense.
If it would have been Neuville, Evans or Tänak leading they wouldnt have cruised today as Lappi did.
Im not supporting the new system but im definitely supporting the Super Sunday, like i said i personally would have kept the old system and just added the Super Sunday.
the main issue is that too much points are awarded for a way too short distance on sunday.
I don’t really care about F1’s points system. It’s not the same sport.
So, in the end Lappi 19pts for 1st. Evans 24pts for 2nd. This is some weird evolution of rallying to gain viewers, but it’s not going to work. If you don’t appreciate rallying for the cars and the speed they are driven at, you’re not going to be suddenly interested because of a points change.
One thing I don’t understand, maybe someone can explain this, I keep hearing that the points system makes it more exciting on Sunday because the drivers don’t cruise for their current position. However, I was led to believe that the points scored on Saturday were only banked on the provision that a car finishes all of Sunday’s stage? So, surely if you score big on Saturday, you won’t take many risks on Sunday?
This points have nothing to do with pushing on sundays. In reality only 3 drivers do have a chance for the title this year. So who exactly will push on sundays, besides them... if there is a chance? No one. If you compare the times of Monte and Sweden this year, you will all see, that Monte was more close in time battles than Sweden. So this sunday pushing is more about how all the drivers enter last day of rally, with what margin. I think that M-Sport guys, Katsuta, Hyundai, Toyota part-timers and drivers who rent rally1 cars will never push on sunday as they don't need to.
The biggest problem is maybe just reward more points overall or sunday points needs to be reduced. Or completely abandon the stupid idea.
But the stories this weekend. I just hope that promotor will realize that this need to be released to the whole world. Make many articles, videos, interviews, bloopers, expose more than rally1 category, brands, sponsors, drivers, co-drivers, mechanics, teams, key people... bring rallying to the world like they deserve in 2024. And fix the damn issues with All Live. It's about time.
Depends on the dynamics of the rally and targets. If Saturday's points are enough for you and you don't mind X number of drivers taking your position that could sense. But if championship points are important why would you stop there? If Lappi is the example, his target was the rally win, and old and new points made no difference to his approach as he had the margin.
This conversation is going to be had again and again for the rest of the season with different dynamics appearing.
Can't wait for when the Saturday leader gets a puncture on the first stage of Sunday changes a wheel losing 2 and a half minutes, then wins the PS and goes home with most points while finishing P6 overall. Better have your fire suit handy.
If they want to change the format then fine but do it in a less stupid way. There were plenty of ways to have a better system.
Hey! I have no complaints if Lappi got his 25 points plus points for Sunday. Now he got only 18 points for victory. Here we have the big fault, guys.
You have the old pointscoring system for o/a rally. AND points for Sunday only, plus PS points.
Do that and I will not protest.
As it is now it´s disaster.
I don't understand why we even have a powerstage now if there are already points for sunday.
Since we haven't discussed rules enough yet...
What about Neuville's position change with Evans? He kept the new running order the next day. It possibly kept Evans behind Formaux on Saturday costing 2 WDC/WCC points.
I'm sure it wasn't deliberate. But, now that it's happened, I wonder whether somebody might be tempted to do it deliberately in future.
I think the authorities should get ahead of that.
First time ever they achieve that feat, it's also nice to see a different driver other than Tänak or Neuville win with Hyundai (yes Sordo won but that was 3+ years ago). Great to see Lappi back on the top step of the podium, it has been too long! The scoring system is messed up but we'll now have 6 (almost) weeks to discuss it and in 2 weeks we'll see the 'results' of the survey.
I didn't invent this system or implement it. I don't have to defend it, it isn't perfect. No system is else there wouldn't have been change. But I'm stuck with it, same as you are, and I'm trying to make reason out of it whilst leaving the whining to others, spare the odd sarcasm post in return. Doon asked a reasonable question, I tried to answer reasonably.
At least with this points system the best overall driver during the whole rally got the most points (Evans), not the guy who mainly benefitted from a great road position (Lappi).
May I ask, without wanting to appear like I'm defending this system... :\\
Thierry's win on pace pushed to the end in Monte, and Lappi's win in Sweden helped by road position and the attrition...
Are/should they be equally rewarded in the championship, not detracting from deservedness of the win?
The general consensus on X is about 10-1 against the new points system...
https://x.com/OfficialWRC/status/175...300656256?s=20
So...
Evans drove hard and fast on all days and was rewarded with top points. I think he possibly drove ever-so-slightly too hard because he had quite a lot of hard knocks on snowbanks.
Lappi was handed the rally victory on a plate and didn't throw it away. He looked like a safe pair of hands, which is what Hyundai will want from their third driver, so good job.
Neuville did very well under the circumstances. He drove hard and fast, and didn't blow it. He looks very strong so far this season.
Fourmaux got third place on a plate. But he didn't blow it either, and he absolutely earned the 2nd on Saturday.
Rovanpera, Tanak and Katsuta blew it.
Munster has driven every stage of every rally, which is a success in his separate world.
Bertelli beat four Rally 1 drivers who were entered for points and had fun doing it. So that's a success in his world, too.
Sorry, I didn't intend to be negative to you personally or directly. Put it a different way, if you dislike the current whining, be prepared, it will probably get worse. Out of curiosity, I checked twitter where people reply directly the the official account posts and I believe I'm not exagerating when I say 90% of posts are negative and, being twitter, a lot more rude than here.
is this a reliable source?
https://www.dn.se/sport/rallyforare-...tet-far-tavla/
apparently 17 drivers were fined for speeding, 3 got licence revoked, one of which is in the top class but not on the podium...
I chose to support Pajari in WRC2 on the Thursday morning before Monte because I liked the sound of his name. I thought he was Hungarian, that's how much I knew about him.
I seem to have gotten lucky.
He did not look comfortable for a lot of this rally and did not talk like he was comfortable, but still came top of the pack who weren't Solberg-in-a-Skoda. So I think he must be quite quick. Then there's his SS12 onboard.
I don't know what rallies he's doing, or how to find out. Can anybody point me where to look?
He's in a Toyota but entered for "Printsport", which according to their website is a rally car rental company. Does anyone know if he has some sort of relationship with Toyota? Maybe they should get one.
He was obviously a bit lost on tarmac at Monte, so that needs fixing.
Oh, and well done Solberg. And Linnamae.
It is a reliable source yes. It is based on a statement from regional police in Västerbotten. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/va...re-rallyforare
no, the main issue is that Sunday is only three stages. If it were to be like stages on Sunday it would be more stages to try catch drivers in front. I think it's pretty meaningless to only have three staged on Sunday.
Should be at least 6 or skip Sundays entirely and have one more stage in Friday and two more on Saturday.
Hyundai shouldn’t have let Lappi go so slowly today, if even he were to be faster than Katsuta both in the overall time today and in the power stage it would be an extra 2 points, and minus 2 points for Toyota, ‘cause as it stand, they’re level on point despite Hyundai’s 2 wins.
Well, when we get to rough gravel rallies the real fun will start.
Something like Turkey 2020 came to mind. After Saturday Evans was 4th, then in Sunday all the guys ahead got punctures (or retired).
Imagine if it was only punctures and he would also just cruise on Sunday.
With this scoring he would "win" the rally but get points for 4th place on Saturday and maybe a few for 4th-ish on Sunday.
Kinda awkward podium ceremony.
I believe the situation where "winner" after Saturday drops behind to secure points will be quite common this year.
new vs old scoring system in numbers:
https://i.ibb.co/PFy27WF/points-swe.jpg