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NOT is the purest example why mothers shouldn’t be allowed smoking while they are pregnant.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
yes unfortunately...Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Oh man.....Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
That picture isn’t pretty at all. That’s a massive accident.
RIP lads…
Speed kills. It must go down. Tyres like F1 isn´t necessary on tarmac rallies.
They already run grooved tyres that are narrower than most sporty roadcars, so this side of mandating a tractor spec compound there isn't much to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
nasty crash, RIP
what a week...
That unfortunately look like not very good rollcage... Rip, what a sad week for rallyQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Today Ive spoken with a one gentelman from organisation board of Croatia Rally.
He told me that FIA has reserved a slot in 2024. calendar for Croatia. So if croats want next year rally, they have to just conforme it.
The FIA won’t hesitate in taking action to improve safety in the World Rally Championship should learnings emerge from a thorough investigation into Craig Breen’s fatal accident.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/f...made/10460308/
This is nothing special. They are investigating every bigger accident, not only fatal. Because only from these data you can learn to try to avoid similar issues in the future. But it will never be 100 % safe. And sometimes there are not so many things which can be done better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I remember investigating an Offshore boat racing fatal accident about 15 yrs ago. Boat went around and navigator had prop injuries in head.
We searched for improvements, but couldn´t find any proper solutions. The investigation result was that nothing can avoid such accidents. It´s just unluck...
A fatal accident to a WRC1 driver is pretty special as it's so rare and such big news, even outside rallying. I'm sure they will do everything they can to find a possible solution, even if only to reduce the chances of such a penetration happening again.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
There's literally nothing 'special' about what Andrew Wheatley has said in that article. He's being pragmatic and rational. Yes, they'll do all they can to prevent a similar fatality from happening again. Yes, if they can reduce the risk, they will. But with all that said, there are some types of risk for which the only possible mitigation is 'don't get in a rally car', and it will never be 100% safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Agree 100%. That could´ve been the result for our investigation mentioned above. But that´s not a reasonable advice or outcome from an investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
No-one but you said anything about the comments by Wheatley being anything 'special'.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
But the fatal accident of a WRC1 driver is... and the surrounding publicity will mean the investigation outcome will need to be very clear to everyone.
In these circumstances, just coming out and saying oh it was just unlucky, wont cut it.
As someone here previously mentioned Croatia Rally was offered a slot in 2024, and now apparently they're working on a multi-year deal: https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/c...deal/10461007/
Rally GB N.Ireland bid deadline extended and also talks with Rally Ireland..
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/w...nded/10460550/
I'd be pretty certain the FIA 'investigation' will just involve reading the Croatian Police report....Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Logical as Katsuta hasn't been on the level so far this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
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So apparently a manufacturer might join the WRC in the near future but who exactly and when is less known at this moment in time, however the promoter & the WRC are talking to 3 of them about joining in: https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/w...ture/10464046/
While I understand that if a manufacturer ends up 6th out of 6 time and again, they will pull out.
I don't get why 4 is the ideal number if they could get 5...
My guess is since at the moment we only have 4 full time top drivers who can deliver wins and constant podiums, then lets say the 5th manufacturer who doesnt get the top driver will be the odd one out and losing every rally, and will probably pull the plug pretty quickly. But that is just my thoughtsQuote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
I think it's more about the ability to deliver value to more than 4 manufacturers.
There is only so much airtime and media interest to generate return on investment.
As well as that fact that someone always has to come 4th. 5th is worse....
FIA is talking about the 4 manufacturers, because it is not able to get larger number. After having one more manufacturer they can claim how well they have managed all of it
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https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc...pF6Q-nq3b2Su58
I have nothing against the guy, he is very friendly and great driver, but i mean, come on shouldnt he have learned by now to be careful with his Podium aims... then again Portugal is a tough gravel rally, lets see how many cars make it to the end.
He can realistically aim for being the third fastest Toyota in Portugal
https://scontent.fopo5-2.fna.fbcdn.n...MA&oe=6479CA8DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
haha, nice one Thierry!
I dont think it's a joke... He's clearly worried Hyundai aren't gonna stick around...
Correct me if Im wrong, but it looks theres no amount of marketing that could be put into WRC that would result in more manufacturers, sponsors or fans simply because Rallying is an european sport where the athletes are all grown up adults - due to the natural dangers of the sport - so theres no childish drama and futile gossip on social media around the sport. Its not an american circus, its just a grown up sport not played on a "stadium" (or something like this). Its basically not possible to "grow" a sport like this in modern society.
However manufacturers need to sell fancy sporty cars without hallmark being an old mans car...Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Rallying is the ultimate recognition it isn´t.
BIt stupid to make public statements like that then, isn't? So that makes Thierry a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It gets harder to promote every team enough with more than four. One hour of footage split betweenQuote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
3 teams = 20 min each
4 teams = 15 min each
5 teams = 12 min each
6 teams = 10 min each
But if there is less than three it doesn’t make enough competition.
But one of the issues is emissions targets for manufacturers, so if you have a sporty version of a model every other model you sell has to be reduced to compensate. It will reach a point where its just too difficult to do/justify, hence Ford have ditched a new RS (I’m sure there are other examples too).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Basically every large volume EV has a sports model.
VW - Cupra Eborn, Enyaq RS, ID 4 GTX
BMW - IX M60, i4 M50
Mercedes - AMG versions of EQE etc
Kia/Hyundai - EV6 GT is here, Ioniq 5 N coming
Tesla - performance and plaid versions of all models
So major EV marketing is the same as for petrol cars... "Look at our fast/powerfull/cool car ".
NOT "look at how efficient it is".
I have been saying this for last 4+ years against the prevailing opinion here...
Now if only WRC could be used to promote these....again the prevailing opinion here is that it is impossible. Well 3 years ago hybrid "was never going to work in WRC".
I can't agree more - it makes at least 2 of us with that opinion !Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Yes full EVs seem impossible to work in rallying, but at the same time if you want to catch manufacturers interest this is the way to go. It would be a real testimony for manufacturers to showcase EV in everyday roads, harsh conditions, with performance and "real" km range (nobody pays attention to the numbers claimed on whatever test conditions, which need to be reduced by half in real life).
We may need to tweek the events format and trust me - i am not happy with that, I am old enough to have found memories of a 5 days Monte Carlo covering all of France's Alps. But sport has to evolve to remain relevant. i hate the cloverleaf format but it had to be (i) to contain spectators, (ii) avoid sending armies of service vehicles in the countryside and (ii) enable the service park PR activity. Maybe it's now time for the next move ...
No problem. You only need to sell lookalike models. Could be hybrids as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
Even the fuel cars need refueling between service points, so charging EV's should not be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by djip
I don't agree that it looks impossible for EVs to work in rallying. Baumschlager ran rallies in EV Fabia with zero changes to their schedule.
So it can work just fine with minimal itenary changes. Fast charging truck after 1-2 stages that charges only for short period for 5-10 min per car should be possible for the 10 top cars running.
The only real issue is the need for sound due to safety and spectating (throttle input). Solution is to set a rule dictating the sound levels in various situation and introduce a common sound system.