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25th April 2021, 08:21
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by wwbroe

Very bad time for Ingram on this one, what happened to him?

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Originally Posted by wwbroe

Ingram: "stopped in stage, continu"

He's been driving with damaged steering since yesterday.
25th April 2021, 08:22
wwbroe

Anyhow, Ogier said at stop finish of this stage that there was not any problem whatever with his car and the fight wasn't over yet.
25th April 2021, 08:22
rallyfiend

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

He's been driving with damaged steering since yesterday.

Does he not have a service crew?!
25th April 2021, 08:23
Fast Eddie WRC

On Ogier, that BMW seemed to come fast and from nowhere and in the UK we woukd call that illegal 'undertaking'.
25th April 2021, 08:24
Eli

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Originally Posted by rallyfiend

Does he not have a service crew?!

Nope, only refueling zone and that's it. No service on Sunday in Croatia.
25th April 2021, 08:25
wwbroe

JML talking about the accident now on alllive
25th April 2021, 08:26
wwbroe

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Originally Posted by Eli

Nope, only refueling zone and that's it. No service on Sunday in Croatia.

If it happened allready yesterday they had plenty of time to fix it?
25th April 2021, 08:26
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

On Ogier, that BMW seemed to come fast and from nowhere and in the UK we woukd call that illegal 'undertaking'.

In the city? There is no overtaking or undertaking per law in city driving in most of the countries Croatia included.

EDIT: That means you can drive which lane you want. The law doesn't care.
25th April 2021, 08:27
Rallyper

JML very diplomatic and welltalking. Good representative for Toyota.
25th April 2021, 08:27
Oliverk

Damn impossible to drive in the city without overtaking :D You guys all drunk?
25th April 2021, 08:30
meh

I would not call it overtaking. If you do your line-change with close to max allowed speed and before that you don't see anyone from your tiny mirror, then it is questionable, if you get hit by some surprise rocket.

But the same clear is that there is no point to have argument here with some gentleman, SS19 is up and running, back to rally :)
25th April 2021, 08:31
petrolhead49

Both are at fault, clearly it was avoidable, thinking about defensive driving, when you come from behind you should be able to see something like that coming. As far as I know driving faster on another lane is not considered overtaking, even if it’s the right lane. Overtaking is when you change lanes and that is not permitted using the right hand side. On wider roads speed limits can be more that 50 km/h, we clearly don’t know all the details.

My problem is that rally drivers do that stuff all the time, not only in wrc. They should be better than regular drivers and have a predictible and respectful conduct. Also, we should note he was driving slow at first, then accelerated and braked - wrc cars on slicks have quite the stopping power.

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25th April 2021, 08:33
dimviii

Rally Warrior
@rally_warrior

Frustrating morning for Chris & Ross who had an off in SS18 (bent steering) and got stuck for a moment. They lost about 1 minute & are now down to P5. But Croatia Rally is not over, 2 more stages to go!
#RallyWarrior #WRC #WRC3 #CroatiaRally #itaintovertillitsover
25th April 2021, 08:39
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by Mirek

In the city? There is no overtaking or undertaking per law in city driving in most of the countries Croatia included.

In very slow heavy traffic jams its ok, but otherwise no.
25th April 2021, 08:41
rallyfiend

Any rational appraisal of that accident puts the blame 100% on Ogier's shoulders.

He tried to cut across the lane in to the bus stop without due care and attention and caused the accident. He was even under heavy breaking in a middle lane to make sure to make the bus stop.

If he had stuck to his chosen lane there would have been no accident.
25th April 2021, 08:44
KKS

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

In very slow heavy traffic jams its ok, but otherwise no.

overtaking - it's pass by opposite way lane. Pass at same direction only - "pass by"
25th April 2021, 08:45
denkimi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

In the city? There is no overtaking or undertaking per law in city driving in most of the countries Croatia included.

EDIT: That means you can drive which lane you want. The law doesn't care.

i'm not sure about croatia, but in almost all european countries overtaking on the right is always forbidden.
25th April 2021, 08:46
Fast Eddie WRC

Croatia:
73 road deaths per million inhabitants estimated in 2019, which is well above the EU average.
25th April 2021, 08:47
Mirek

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Originally Posted by KKS

overtaking - it's pass by opposite way lane. Pass at same direction only - "pass by"

No, on a motorway it's still overtaking per law.

It's different in cities where it's simply impossible to make it forbidden to pass from the right.

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Originally Posted by denkimi

i'm not sure about croatia, but in almost all european countries overtaking on the right is always forbidden.

Overtaking yes but driving in the city doesn't recognize overtaking per law in Croatia (I am sure about it), here in CZ and in many other countries because it is simply impossible to force.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Croatia:
73 road deaths per million inhabitants estimated in 2019, which is well above the EU average.

Completely irrelevant information.
25th April 2021, 08:50
Moriarty

https://youtu.be/pFOE4PeLIfg
25th April 2021, 08:52
Pršljen

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Croatia:
73 road deaths per million inhabitants estimated in 2019, which is well above the EU average.

Well yes, but we are also among the poorest EU countries and although we have good road infrastructure with lot of motorways, our cars are very old on average. But in 2020 there was giant decline in number of deceased, it's getting better.

This is the first accident caused by a WRC car :D
25th April 2021, 08:52
meh

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Originally Posted by Moriarty

https://youtu.be/pFOE4PeLIfg

This one has potential to develop...
25th April 2021, 08:55
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by meh

This one has potential to develop...

uuujjj...!!!
25th April 2021, 08:55
denkimi

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Overtaking yes but driving in the city doesn't recognize overtaking per law in Croatia (I am sure about it), here in CZ and in many other countries because it is simply impossible to force.

i'm not completely sure what that's supposed to mean. do the rules not apply in city's or what?

in belgium and the rest of western europe, the only exception to the "always drive on the right" rule are traffic jams and when you are on an exit that leads to a different destination. but neither of those things apply here.

but as i said, this could be different in croatia.
25th April 2021, 08:55
KKS

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Originally Posted by Moriarty

https://youtu.be/pFOE4PeLIfg

fcking hell
25th April 2021, 08:55
Lead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moriarty

https://youtu.be/pFOE4PeLIfg

This doesnt look good for Ogier.
25th April 2021, 08:57
flat_right

I'm not against Ogier but if this doesn't develop into something, then this would be a potential case for others in the future.
25th April 2021, 08:58
KKS

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Originally Posted by Mirek

No, on a motorway it's still overtaking per law.

Here in Ukraine we forbidden to overtake from right, but "overtake" it's only maneuver on opposite direction lane. It's allowed even in city when sign and lanes are allowed
25th April 2021, 08:58
EstWRC

knowing his luck, nothing will be done
25th April 2021, 09:00
denkimi

Quote:

Originally Posted by KKS

Here in Ukraine we forbidden to overtake from right, but "overtake" it's only maneuver on opposite direction lane. It's allowed even in city when sign and lanes are allowed

that doesn't make any sense.
25th April 2021, 09:01
Fast Eddie WRC

Great push by Neuville.
25th April 2021, 09:01
tpt010

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Originally Posted by flat_right

I'm not against Ogier but if this doesn't develop into something, then this would be a potential case for others in the future.

Probably a fine, but this should be it. There is rally ongoing and there is already team member (Jarmo Lehtinen) taking care of things. And in general... Mirek is totally right: overtaking on right lane is forbidden only on motorways, not in cities. Same applies in almost every European country.
25th April 2021, 09:02
flat_right

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

knowing his luck, nothing will be done

If the police made their job properly and made a report that Ogier made a hit-and-run, then there will be something.
25th April 2021, 09:03
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Completely irrelevant information.

If they undertake on the inside, it explains a lot.
25th April 2021, 09:03
flat_right

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Originally Posted by tpt010

Probably a fine, but this should be it. There is rally ongoing and there is already team member (Jarmo Lehtinen) taking care of things. And in general... Mirek is totally right: overtaking on right lane is forbidden only on motorways, not in cities. Same applies in almost every European country.

I was talking about the video where the police tried to stop Ogier from driving away.
25th April 2021, 09:03
EstWRC

incredible fight, awesome
25th April 2021, 09:04
jonkka

Stop pointless arguing and check the facts. Legislation varies but still most motorists don't seem to know what's what and what's allowed or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overta..._on_the_inside
25th April 2021, 09:07
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Great push by Neuville.

Not enough though. Toyota battle for the win now.
25th April 2021, 09:08
Rallyper

Gryazin stopped
25th April 2021, 09:09
Tauri_J

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Gryazin stopped

Ugh so usual for him

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