Or some disagree just to disagree?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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Or some disagree just to disagree?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Hyundai really should have let the motorsport arm to develop the car from the get go, but I guess there just wasn't enough time. The timetable for the project is too tight, they should start only in 2015. Especially with VW now involved in rallying, the bar has been lifted and even Citroën is struggling to cope with the level required.
2014 will be a development season for sure, and looks like the 2015 car will be totally different. In my mind it would be good if they just keep Hänninen and Bouffier for 2014, as they are good developers...no sense in putting any young gun into the car for 2014. Then for 2015 go for full attack.
Oh! They haven't got very long...Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
It sounds better than a Fiesta WRC at least, which I am quite surprised about because Pipo engines usually sound boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
As the most boring of them - the 306 Maxi (sorry, I couldn't resist :D )Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Looks as any of WRC while testing, how can you tell whether is slow or fast if you don't know the speed, length of the test stage and the stage time? Based on that how can you tell it looks slower or faster than other cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
No. If You have ever seen a WRC car few times You must see that this car in shape it is now is slow. If You don't see that You either don't want to see that or You are blind. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
That all still doesn't mean it will stay slow and nobody is claiming that. We don't know the whole story and we shall not overestimate test footage but that doesn't change anything on clear facts. There is absolutely no reason to twist them. What is it good for to pretend I'm amazed by the footage when there is nothing amazing in it? The only correct way is to look on things as realistic as one can do because that's the only way to learn something.
I should have known someone would mention that :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I meant Pipo turbo engines.
I'd say that Hyundai will be competitive form day one like the VW Polo WRC
Your posts are full of contradiction. Just let you know I have been watching WRC cars live on rallies not on youtube for years, if I have no timing from test or stages and any reference car I am not able to judge if the car is fast or slow, it is simple as that. On stages I can only assume that one car or driver is probably faster than other by watching breaking points and gear change, that's it, otherwise I need to see time. It is You who twist facts if you claim the car is slow, how did you find that out? Any data? Speed, times, comparison to other cars or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
It's funny why WRC teams invest so much in high-spec equipment and top engineers while some forum members can come to conclusion just by watching youtube :)
Don't be silly. I understand You can't see if for example JML is faster than Ogier in NORF just from watching but You must see that both are faster than let's say Prokop. You can't be 100% sure that Polo of Ogier is faster than DS3 of Mikko but You must be sure even from watching that both are faster than was the Mini of Kosciuszko. If you have some experience You must see that clearly, don't You?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
We don't speak about judging some tiny margin like 0,1 s/km or something similar. We speak about clear big differences. If You don't see that in the videos of Hyundai, You are blind no matter Your experience. Sorry for being harsh but it's like that.
And again I want to repeat that I have never said it would stay slow in the future. I have even commented that I'm fully confident with Pipo Moteur engine. You can find it two pages back. I'm only defending the statement that the car in recent test videos is slower than existing WRC cars because it is.
The high-tech equipment and top engineers are not there to find the obvious. They are not there to see that a car in some stage of development is let's say 2 s/km slower than others (just example!). They are there to find WHY and WHAT shall be done to make it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc1600
@rallyfun, it's not because you can't see the difference, that others can't. Unlike Mirek I don't believe it has something to do with being blind, you just need to be interested in the mechanical side of it. If you don't know how a car works, you can't expect to see the differences. Maybe you're just not interested in the technical side at all? Did you ever go and watch a test? IF you never did, I surely recommend you to do that in the future. :) It's always nice to see changes/differences on the car during the test.
I have seen pretty much everything about WRC rallies. All I have asked was how on earth can you tell from youtube clip the car looks slow if you don't have reference. I even ask some specific questions but no one bothered to answer ( I guess they don't have answer), instead I have got some aggressive and abusive replies. What do you mean by "look slow" if you watch just one car and when would you say it's fast? What do you compare this speed to? I guess it's not fastest as any other car at this stage of development and that's that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
I am completely lost now in what is your point. You gave me a lecture how to tell the difference in cars/drivers speed and then tried to apply the same to youtube clip with just one car on it, no reference,no nothing. Lets take your points and say you are right and I am blind, explain why do you think Hyundai is slow and compare to what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I can tell. I know what Mirek means.
It´s more than a feeling. You just see it on the videos. As I said before the engine seemed to be in another mood than a proper WRC-car. The handling of the car wasn´t similar to what we´ve seen during the past two tears of 1,6 WRC-cars in competition.
And that is what has been confirmed by the journalists reporting from Mr Nandan´s commentarys after testing.
Blind or not. We are a lot of viewers doing the conclusions that I20 is still having a long way to go. Hope it ends well.
My last post regarding this. When I'm watching a woman do I need to see a man in the same time to find who of them is a woman? In Thailand it might be tricky but otherwise I would say no. Thanks to FIA we have pretty much strict regulations in WRC which rule out Thailand-like confusion (such as electric car among petrol ones) and that's why I can be pretty sure about obvious things.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
LOL! :p The size of their hands give it away Mirek ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
How do you know that Tom?
A Dutch TV program that suddenly appeared on my tv-screen while zapping. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
It's funny that you mention it. This is almost KoreaQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I didn't know I was almost from Greenland or Iran :DQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
In general I agree that Hyunday has long way to go though. Looks like there is lot of work for the engine and drivetrain
This is better than almost from Mars :D But not for the MarsiansQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I think that 2014 should be viewed like 2 rallyes on 2007 of Suzuki, and the Skoda rallyes of VW last year. 2015 with experience and the JOKER Homologation (people don't give value to this, but for me is very very important), would be the best time to evaluations.
You didn't answer any of my questions. So don't call me or any one else blind or silly if can't do that simple thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Well I guess I'm the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
What analysis can the member from Bohemia give us about the the you tube clips he has seen ?
I'll admit the car doesn't look that flash at the moment , but hey what do I know , I couldn't tell you why and I'm no expert. I don't have a point of reference and I haven't seen any test footage from any other manufactures test. But the member from Bohemia clearly has so I'd like hear his views on whatever he thinks is "obvious "?
From my point of view I don't know how you can tell anything from these ****ty highly compressed Youtube clips that are shot on crappy consumer camera's that are cursed with all sorts of video artefacts like CMOS skew , wobble and bad sound.
I suspect if the member was in Thailand he couldn't tell Ass from Quim in the dark or maybe he prefers his ladies with a cock ?
Very disrespectful to the people who made the videos IMO, those are the people who make it possible for you to see some footage from rallying, something the current WRC-"promotor" doesn't provide... Also not much respect to the forum member from Bohemia, you are referring to. But okay, I often link a lack of respect (in general) and certain use of words (especially if English is your first language, isn't it?) to less intelligent people. So it fits the picture... But like said before, some people disagree just to disagree (especially if their mind can't handle it).Quote:
Originally Posted by ThomasS
Ignore list +1 :)
Stop being a sycophant , let him answer the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
I'm not disrespecting those who send clips in , I enjoy watching them. I'm just saying that on the whole they look awfully shot and captured and I don't think they provide the best basis on which to make any useful comments about the car other than idle speculation.
too much talk over some videos...the car looks slow...end of story.
But why my good man ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
It looks faster than my aunts pink Hyundai , she's a hairdresser.
Maybe they should paint it red, that will make it go faster.
If someone could give some informed reason on why it looks slow without the barbed attitude to my ignorance I'd be very interested.
Well, (and Rallyfun) looks like nobody can or wants to address your questions, so can you just leave it? This is a forum, it's full of opinions. If you disagree or agree, fine. Say it once and leave it at that. All this argumentative BS does nothing for this forum. If these shaky, wobbly video clips are not good enough for you, simple, don't watch them.
We've got a rally to follow tomorrow, serious business :)
Why?
The engine doesn't rev as high
The engine doesn't kick like a turbo in the VW
The engine doesn't pick up as fast
The suspension doesn't look as rigid
The driver looks like he is not confident in the car
But
We have no reference- No known car on the same stretch of road under the same test conditions
Its a fun talking point, why else do we have a forum, to observe, comment, inform, argue and generally have a good robust conversation about a sport we love.
Its just mean to have actual footage of Hyundai finally
Finally an opinion without any attitude , nice one !
Juho seems ready for Huyndai next yr, after hearing team boss on WRC.com...
Reading between lines that is.
HYUNDAI WRC:
Here’s the full story, in photos and video, of the development of the Hyundai i20 WRC:
HYUNDAI i20 WRC IN PICTURES (with images, tweets) · RallyingUK · Storify
Here are the best videos and photos from the recent Hyundai i20 WRC tests in France in one interactive image:
Hyundai i20 WRC: July / August 2013 tests - ThingLink
Your website doesn't contain anything that it cannot be found in here long before you post them.....please stop now.
They're all in one convenient place so members can enjoy them once again :-)
Yeah thanks for that , don't know about the rest of you but I don't have time or the inclination to trawl through hundreds of posts. He's just being a tosser for some reason...