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Finally!Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Was weird that all the years he was the only one who didn’t have Red Bull sponsorship
This is a proper pic for the champ!
Waiting for contract - check
Waiting for livery - check
Waiting for new helmet - coming soon
Waiting for pace with Puma - coming soon
:D
Unfortunately the helmet will now look like all the Red Bull athletes ones. Hard to make difference between them, all looking the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
I wonder if or how much there will be some Ott Tänak feat. Red Bull merch available?
I understand why Estonians may be more sensitive about this, but unless there are some links between Gryazin’s family and Putin that I am unaware of it’s a little bit silly to say he has “the Kremlin’s logos on his helmet”. Last time I checked Red Bull was an Austrian company.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
He meant russian flag, you must understand the contextQuote:
Originally Posted by RS
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https://www.wrc.com/images/redaktion...f_1400x788.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by RS
There's Kremlin on his helmet.
WowwwwQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
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Driver who put outlines of his home citys biggest landmarks on his helmet is an "ork"Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
You people are deranged
No one has a problem with drivers putting their home citys on their helmets, Nikolay had Russia all over his car for a while, no one had a issue with that, problem starts when from that city a terrorist act is being orchestrated, then you have to make a decision if you are with it or against it. If a Afghan rally driver funded by Bin Laden entered an rally in USA after 9/11, having Kabul city and al-Qaeda painted on his helmet and "from Afganistan with love" on the rear bumper, and people disliked it, does that make these people deranged? Because it is the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kras
But for sure its not a discussion for this topic, so somebody should clean this up here. Most of the people missed the point of the original post with Skoda and their potential domestic dilemma anyway...
It’s not the same. Gryazin did the things you mention (although nothing explicitly supporting Putin?) before the invasion of Ukraine, and as far as i’m aware neither is he funded by Putin. Concede on the helmet, Rally Sweden started the same day as the invasion although of course he would have packed his helmets beforehand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalm
Sorry for OT but it was raised here.
Can you explain please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalm
He had the "art" on his helmet since I believe Estonia 2021. You probably noticed that things have been going on since 2014.
I brought it up. Right now he arguably is the biggest favorite out of all Skoda drivers with the new Fabia for a WRC2 win in Monte.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
Now Skoda has always valued and promoted Monte win more than basically any rally and for sure they want to promote potential first win with new car.
Mood in CZ just like in all current major Skoda markets (outside of India) is rather negative towards country of this driver.
So imagine the PR if he wins. I can already see how the CZ headlines might look. The damage potential is immense. IMO up to and including scaling down or closing Motorsport activities.See how VW closed Polo R5 operations even after big investments to the car.
I find it amazing that Skoda Motorsport risks so much. Maybe they rely on late service clutch change (wink to a common 2005 Australia fan theory).
It would be more of an issue if he was driving for a works Skoda team, but technically at least Toksport is a private team and Gryazin a customer. I don’t see what they can do unless they ban all Russians from driving their car. But then Wimbledon banned Russians from competing last year and it was still won by a woman who was born and lives in Moscow.
Maybe you guys should take it to PM or discuss it further in other more proper thread? This has nothing to do with Ott Tänak anymore
There are 3 different issues:Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
1. Competition ban which you are mentioning is for FIA or rally organizer (Rally Estonia did ban him). And this is what Tanak was asked about.
Last year there were different levels of hiding him, sometimes he was skipped by WRC+ broadcasts, sometimes not even listed in results/tracking, a few times business as usual.
For Skoda there are 2:
2. Not letting him get the new car, especially as one of the first. Sure if it was half a year after introduction and tons of cars sold it could be difficult, but now in first WRC start with very few cars I can totally see they could keep him from getting it. Either directly or with some excuses.
Note that when he won Sardinia last year nobody cared, cause it was little visible rally with tons of retirements and a car which is everywhere. So delaying when he gets new car would work.
3. Making sure he is less likely to be the fastest Skoda, for example by nominatig Solberg or getting another driver. But that's very indirect and less certain to work. Cais getting the new car helps.
It is off topic now, but how do you take conversation with 6+ people to PMs I wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
AFAIK Rally Estonia didn't ban him but it was done by government which did the job for RE easier as they didn't have the need to make any independent decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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Originally Posted by mknight
Then it is possible to create a new thread named "Nikolai Grjazin" if one isnt made already
I do not get why all Russians on this planet must be responsible for something their president is doing...
Nevertheless, this thread is about Ott, do not hijack it please.
Thank you!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
For others, a constructive reply. As a disclaimer: I'm not Gryazin's fan at all, but the ridiculous statements just make me furious, because people connect culture/art to politics again, making a blanket responsibility for the actions of the regime.
1) It's not Kremlin what you see on the helmet, i.e. not the government stronghold.
2) At best, it's Saint Basil's Cathedral, an official UNESCO World Heritage Site and a symbol of orthodox culture for over 5 centuries.
3) Even that is quite stretched, because the outlines on the helmet don't copy it exactly, and it's rather just symbolizes the orthodox architecture style, easily recognized by the very peculiar dome shapes.
For avoidance of doubt, and regardless of the current church division, orthodox belief and architecture style is also the same in Ukraine and several other slavic countries.
So as someone else earlier gave an example of Afganistan: blaming Gryazin for using outlines of an orthodox church on his helmet (which is obviously part of the culture) is like banning the use of crescent on the helmets of all muslim drivers only because of some terrorists.
Be more tolerant, please. After all, the motorsport (and sport in general) should unite despite the politics.
And all this shit on Tanaks thread?
Good job folks
https://www.is.fi/ralli/art-2000009332808.html
So how about this, Timo Jouhki reveals he tried to sign Tänak in 2010. Just before signing the proposed 10-year contract with Jouhki, Tänak asked if he could review the conditions together with Markko Märtin. Jouhki was fine with that approach, but obviously there was something Märtin and Tänak didn't like as no deal was ever made. Jouhki had even negotiated a SWRC program for 2011 with M-Sport, but admits that Tänak eventually managed to get a similar program on his own.
Jouhki didn't like the way the Toyota exit was handled (I guess few did) and believes Tänak would have more than just one title by now had he stayed with TGR.
That's an interesting question, just how many more titles would Tänak have, had he signed with Don Timo in 2010?
He probably would have more titles by staying in Toyota, that can be claimed with some certainty.
But speculating what would have happened if he signed different manager in 2010 is completely pointless.
It's not like everyone Joukhi signs gets a title either. More like everyone he signed between Makinen and Rovanpera failed one way or another.
Hirvonen was close multiple times, even though his Subaru start was a disaster (like Tanaks MSport start). Latvala was never close (Neuville was much closer 3 times already) and Suninen didn't even win a rally (yet?).
I'm quite sure I've heard this story earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
I have mentioned this couple of times in this forum, maybe from there :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I have missed that part where Märtin has been attacking Jouhki in Estonian media. Can anyone please enlighten me?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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I don't know anything about "attacking" but here is one article where Märtin talks about itQuote:
Originally Posted by cali
https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/8815...ja-palju-valet
Listened to the interview with Tänak by Jaan Martinson, it draws a so good picture how Ott communicates with what interviews, With dirtfish or with Delfi he is a different person. With Martinson everything is forced and ironic, but with dirtfish he answers more freely and honest
Yeah, I don't know what's the thing between Ott vs Martinson. I already just get chills from pressing the play button because I know what's coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Just to point out that Martinson works for DelfiQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
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My wording was a little bit confusing, i meant with Delfi/Martinson he is different when talking with any reporter from dirtfishQuote:
Originally Posted by cali
Got it! Yes indeed, with Martinson he just gives random answers and it's clear to see how difficult it is for him to stay professional and I don't blame him. Martinson is a tool!
I wouldn't say Delfi, I'd say Martinson specifically, because his interviews with Peep Pahv are always better. I've actually stopped looking Martinson's interviews and every time I see It's Martinson who's attending the rally, I feel dissapointed. Ott and him obviously don't have a good relationship and I think it comes down to the questions Martinson asks. They are 90% of the time completely pointless. Asking about emotions, like "How are you feeling?", "Are you afraid that X will do Y...", "Can you beat X?", etc. Ott doesn't do emotions, he clearly hates these type of questions. I'd call them low effort questions.
If you look at Ott's interviews with Molly at the stage ends, it always depends on what she asks. If she asks about technical question, Ott gives proper answers, but when she asks "How was it/how are you feeling" or any other question of that type, especially after a bad stage, you can clearly see the annoyance in his face and that's when the sarcasm leaks out.
Low effort questions = low effort answers, simple as that.
That's why Kalev Kruus has nailed every single Betsafe year-end interview he's done with Ott. He asks detailed questions, questions that took some effort to come up with.
I would disagree. One example is "where did the puncture happen", meaning how long he had to go with that, and the answer was "what do you think, in the stage!".Quote:
Originally Posted by tr4m
Yep, he is always a bit of a jerk when talking to Molly, no idea why.
He's not at Raikkonen level yet.
He seems to be a bit of a jerk when talking to anyone really.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight