So Mercedes won't pay for Button, but will pay for Kimi? Odd choice..
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So Mercedes won't pay for Button, but will pay for Kimi? Odd choice..
Nick Fry did suggest that Bunsen's departure was not about money. Maybe both Kimi and Bunsen thought that McLaren was the best chance next year for wins and podiums.Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
Yes, but Kimi's price has just crashed. If he wants to be in F1, in a competitive team, he'll have to resign himself to taking whatever he's offered. Mercedes-Brawnz could pick up the bargain of the year! I'm sure the payoff from Ferrari will be adequate consolation.Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
I don't know, Kimi is a far better driver than Button, according to statistics at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
Just goes to prove what we've always known about Kimi. He just wants to race, and he doesn't care about the BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
His management team were pushing for big bucks and it failed, and now kimi wants any ride he can get.
This silly season is like a soap opera already. "I want to race, don't want to race, want to race, ..." Bah.
Any ride he can get? That's CLEARLY not the case. He will only CONSIDER Brawn at this point--you know, the current WCC. I haven't read about him dialing up Vijay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Kimi's crawdaddy-ing out of his prior position only proves what we REALLY know about Kimi. He only wants to drive a front-running car, AND he wants to be paid well to do it. He doesn't "just want to race"--that's patently obvious. :rolleyes:
No. Kimi just wants to race - of course with the very best machinery, he's a WDC after all! Its his agents job to get him into the best seat available; That was clearly McLare. Now that door has closed he's looking at the next best. Clearly this will not go on all the way down the grid to FI, to use your example, but if he gets no joy in F1 he'll go to another series because (big finish here!) he wants to race! .Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
I get the point Sonic, but I'm with keysersoze on this one. Kimi or his agent is ridiculously greedy. As I said yesterday, Kimi wanted a top seat = McLaren. McLaren offered him the seat and upwards of 5m a year (fortune to anyone else). He says no as the contract isnt good enough.
To me that sounds like a greedy moneybags who doesnt deserve to be in the sport. Good riddance - glad to get rid of one of the most dull racers and people in F1.
And you say he wants to race as if thats an unusually good skill. All F1 drivers want to race, and all of them more than Kimi in my opinion. I want to race, my hamster wants to race etc. Kimi doesnt want to race otherwise he'd go to Renault, Sauber, FI or one of the new teams.
Timo Glock - now there's a man who wants to race and has done it the right way.
Ferrari is paying Kimi, a salary similar to Hamilton's, to go Rally racing, which seems obvious, what Kimi actually wants, after Ferrari nightmare season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Wining races in a 2009 Ferrari proves that Kimi can race anything, even a Rally racecar -- a more suitable place to prove Kimi wizardry.
Fair enough. Clearly money did come into this but AFAIK Kimi also wanted to be free to go and do some WRC in the mid-year break. McLaren said no.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
As I have understood things , Kimi gets $17mill from Ferrari if he doesn't race . He still gets $10mill from them if he does land a drive elsewhere .
Therefore , he must secure $7mill to drive there or he loses money .
Mac offered $6mill , and if he turned a wheel , he'd lose $1mill .
If Merc offers more , he will consider it .
Have I got this right ?
Looks like it to me. He's in for the money and nothing more. :\Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
To me , the question of whether I would not get in a car for a million bucks is easy . Drive a truck and collect .Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
For Kimi , it should also be easy , with the other $16million in pocket .
The trick is , though , he's already seen the top , and has other passions to fall back on , so , driving something else might not feel so bad .
IMO it's the Robertson guy too, he is in it for the money, and he probably gets a huge chunk of that million too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
My feeling too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
You have no idea what kind of a deal McLaren offered or how the negotiations went. Issues for KR in that deal wereQuote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
1) How many rallies he can take part in
2) PR-days
3) Money
4) What Hamilton thought of the whole deal.
They obviously couldnt reach a conclusion satisfactory to both parties and
that is it.
Dont make it sound as simple as you think it was.
Because Button is a nobodyQuote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
Heidfeld might still get a seat in F1, dont count him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
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Originally Posted by christophulus
lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
I still have no idea why Button chose to switch to McLaren. Hamilton is going to beat him and then Button will probably bitch about being #2.
Kimi may not have gone for McLaren because of their strict terms, but as Kimi said, "It's not the end of the world."
But if Kimi wants a drive, he should have taken whatever deal was offered. McLaren wouldn't be that stingy, and a rally deal must have been negotiable in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
As for your swipe at Nick, I'll take that humorously otherwise I'll start being rude ;)
Well he did bitch for the last 10 years about one thing or another so its a fair bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
I have a feeling that Robertson/Kimi didn't want to go head to head with Lewis in the same car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Maybe they don't want Kimi's market value to drop even further if he is beaten again by a team mate.
Looks like LdM pushed MS into retirement because most probably Kimi wouldn't have joined Ferrari with MS around.
Not sure if it's Kimi or Robertson who decides, but Kimi could go his way if he doesn't agree, so...
i hope kimi has not forgot about indycar series :s mokin:
Why would he bother remembering about IndyCar in the first place?
I'm disappointed in Kimi and Mclaren ...I highly doubt Kimi will be in race shape for 2011 if he is thinking about going to F1 ..I think We have seen Kimi's last race in F1..
If (and as usual it's a big "IF") Kimi does leave F1, would he go down in history as one of the biggest wasted talents? One championship, obviously, and that should never be dismissed lightly; but you get the sense that he could have achieved so much more.
Hilarious stuff, true comedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Then why did they say McLaren is the only option? Did they think McLaren would fire Hamilton?
Well, Red Bull banned Vettel from taking part of any rallies. You think McLaren would not do that? Besides that, McLaren is known for requiring many PR-duties from their drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
Take whatever deal you are offered? I take it you have never negotiated your job contract? Great, next time I need to hire a person for minimum wage, I will give you a call. After all, accept whatever deal you are offered.
Than why didn't they accept what McLaren proposed to them? Let us know when you find some SF answer to this question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
You still have not shown us the logic why Kimi would say he is only interested in McLaren (ruling him out of other options), while according to you, he is afraid of Hamilton and does not want to team up with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Explain that.
If you want me to drive for McLaren, possibly the best team in F1, for minimum wage then I'll be there. Its not exactly as if they offered him a pittance is it? It would have been at least 5/6 million, yes million, euros.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Don`t worry, I wouldnt offer someone like you anything more than a job cleaning the toilets from fecal matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
1) You do not know what was offered him moneywise, you can only speculate.Quote:
Its not exactly as if they offered him a pittance is it? It would have been at least 5/6 million, yes million, euros.
To argue his case is frankly pathetic.
At least 5/6 million? I am not sure that was the case at all.
2) As I said before, there are other things besides money that were important for consideration for KR. Rallying and PR-work for sure. If what McLaren offered regarding those were clearly unacceptable to him, why would he need to accept the offer? But you keep going on with your money nonsense and ignore everything else.
The only pathetic one is you despising someone over things you have no idea about
You really are an unpleasant old man aren't you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
If you think McLaren would offer Kimi less than 5 million then you're the one who has no idea about anything. And it matters not one bit about PR duty and rallying - he says he wants to race. If he so desperately wants to race he should do it for free, spend every other day doing PR work and give up rallying till later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Before you complain again, I am obviously exaggerating a bit r.e. PR and wages but surely you get the message.
Well I can hire people only to do things they are qualified at :rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
Neither of us has any facts regarding that.Quote:
If you think McLaren would offer Kimi less than 5 million then you're the one who has no idea about anything.
I get the message all right.Quote:
And it matters not one bit about PR duty and rallying - he says he wants to race. If he so desperately wants to race he should do it for free, spend every other day doing PR work and give up rallying till later.
Before you complain again, I am obviously exaggerating a bit r.e. PR and wages but surely you get the message.
If he says he wants to race, he should do it on the terms of others and what he himself wants (other than racing) should be irrelevant and he should just accept it and bend over.
Its not my fault I had a poor education!Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
But you dont believe he was offered less than 5 million do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
You've put it in a more brutal way, but put simply, yes. If he wanted to race, and rally, and do less PR, then he could have gone to FI or Toro Rosso. But he wouldn't because of money and bad car. To me that means he doesnt want to race that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Yes, it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
I dont know. Nor do you.Quote:
But you dont believe he was offered less than 5 million do you?
He does want to race, but on his own conditions. When you have gotten so far in your life that you can do things on your own terms only, then you are a happy person. Try it, I guarantee it feels good.Quote:
You've put it in a more brutal way, but put simply, yes. If he wanted to race, and rally, and do less PR, then he could have gone to FI or Toro Rosso. But he wouldn't because of money and bad car. To me that means he doesnt want to race that much.
This discussion isn't going anywhere. I know you're wrong, you think I'm wrong. You're obvioulsy quite a sarcastic and bitter person, so I'll leave now before this descends into a slinging match.
peter, IMO you aren't wrong. :cool:
The American fans have forgotten about the ICS, so Kimi in his vodka-induced fog has surely forgotten about it, too. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by 4mula1
Thanks keysersoze!
The only bitterness we have here is your bitterness that McLaren Mercedes dumped useless Heidfeld and bought Kimi instead back in 2001. :rotflmao: Talk about being a fanboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
As for sarcasm, yes, I admit to being guilty of that. Stupidity of some people often brings that side of me up.