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Now I think you are putting words in my mouth. Petter's situation now is quite difficult. The situation is totally different now, and more drivers are up on Petter's level. Now Mikko, Sordo and Latvala are much better than a few years ago. So yes, of course it's difficult now. But we can't mix these discussions. These situations change every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
So far instead of evolution we have only seen regression. He is not even as fast as Hirvonen and in terms of reliability the situation is horrible. And, of course, on asphalt he just got beaten by Solberg not to mention Ogier!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Nice to see how Solberg will do today. We can already say that from the first kilometeres his gravel performance was on par with Latvala-Sordo-level. Let's see what's improvement.
Loyal to Subaru http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0095.gif.........she meant LOYAL TO THE MONEY.Quote:
Originally Posted by JFL
someone say where Petter test today ?
http://www.pettersolberg.com/html/20...the-field-153/
Interesting to note that the car is running "unbranded" with no Johs Lunde logos.
On the poster for the event there is no Johs Lunde logo either...Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
It's hundreds of test videos of Loeb testing a red Citröen with no stickers too... Could be thst Johs.Lunde is out but I doubt it...Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
What I meant was that Johs Lunde was the sponsor for the WRC rallies, there was not a lot of money in teh team this year, also all the Johs Lunde team supporter clothing is now gone. I guess next year will need a bigger money sponsor, or Johs Lunde may still sponsor but "shared"
Is Petter better off in a Ford than a Citroen.
Which one suites his driving style the most ?
I think he would be better off in the armchair of his house. and suits his driving style as well so its double the benefit for everyone...
What do you mean? Is it not because of that they do testing to get the cars suitable and easy to drive for own driving style?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Petter
"Both the C4 and the Ford work very well are quite easy to drive,they are both consistent, predictable handling cars that do the correct thing - just in slightly different ways."
Somehow I just can not envisage the scenario that with Loeb going for a straight 7th championship (equalling Schumacher) in the last year of the current WRC car format that Citroen will want anyone to spoil the party. Its just my personal thoughts but I think MSport will play a fairer game plan. Who knows it could still be a Citroen, time will tell, but I reckon the announcement will be soon. And I suspect the home market in Norway for selling cars will be an influencing factor. Shell Ford Norway?
If he takes the Focus, he will have to move his team to GB, a little bit more work, some new people...
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Originally Posted by Barreis
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Dont tell me you still think Kimi will join petters team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Hope not :) just got the impression that you ment Kimi and wrc would never happen, maybe it was another post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Eyvind don't have any plans about joining Petter, but off course he wants to.. But then he has to get a lot off new sponsors..(He's a working man.. ) The drivers that are in question at the moment(rumours) is Kimi, PG Anderson, H.Solberg , A.Mikkelsen, E.Brynildsen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
No, it was a quote to this post, and the reasons are very simple too, why pull someone with you, if you can get better contract by you self, in this case petter would only have been ballast.
Ballast? well... It would have been a team with an F1 champ and an WRC champ, sure they could have found something together.
But I think it would have put too much pressure on Petters small team, and both would be fed off after a few rebuilds :D
Well if the Citroen deal is true, Lindström will co-drive, Tommi will propably coach, and help with setup, + Citroen behind him, im not sure what petter could have offered actually, maybe dance lessons? a good deal is when both benefit, in a possible deal with petter kimi would have had nothing to get i think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Some things on this forum is very easy to predict
If someone writes something about the solberg brothers, and especially Petter it is a given that a few people will respond.
N.O.T that has close to 10 000 posts filled with positiveness and spread happiness to all of us !
Many people from Suomi also like to share their positiveness toward the brothers, and us who cheer them on.
As you know, the simple Vikings from your west will never reach your level in either Racing or Rally - your sponsor system is the best in the world !
We only have one world champion, and due to that the rally fever started in Norway. Most norwegians will always respect him for that, and hopes he will win again. Had only the rallyworld had a bit more of the Mr Hollywood way of behaving, WRC would be even better to follow.
But guys, just continue spreading joy with your positive postings, they are always exiting to read :vampire:
:wave: ;)
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Originally Posted by Sulland
I like your style Sulland. :up:
Thats the point Sulland, every Norwegian seem to live around petter in a way where is no realism left. Its better to face the facts, petters carreer is about to come to an end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
In norway it would be clever maybe to invest the limited sponsor money on new talet, instead of still feeding guys who has done their work as road opener already.
the difference is Greece is a 3rd world country and in rallying we have around 1000 useless posers who think they are rally drivers and around 5 that have the skills but no balls at all to compete at a good level (ERC and IRC, i don;t live in imagination land to think we have drivers for the WRC) but the main problem is that all these 1005 drivers we have are surounded by 10000 useless YES men each.... so no progress...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
As for the Solberg saga i just hope he sticks to shows or at least if he decides to drive in WRC again he forgets his whines at home and set realistic goals.
Well if Kimi and Petter join forces they just can call their team
"One hit wonders WRT"
One time world champ only :D
Yes, Petter will soon be forgotten just as this unsung heroes: Richard Burns, Colin McRae, Didier Auriol, Timo Salonen, Stig Blomqvist, Hannu Mikkola , Ari Vatanen and Bjorn Waldegaard :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Koppomsbo
Wow this thread went south today.
I'd say Petter is pretty much essential to the WRC. He has more character in his little finger then most of the others put together.
Even if he isn't winning he is an ex-world champion who gives the sport a tiny bit more legitimacy. He is a proper driver and without him that just gives another place in the points to Conrad or whoever is winning the PWRC.
As a sport rallying is in no position to even think about getting rid of Petter. He's the third best driver ffs.
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Originally Posted by Simmi
What you call "character" some see as , well very politely anyway the triumph of promotional ability. Sure he's able to beat all the "buy a ride/---what were once known as "gentleman drivers" but..... but...........
For a Norwegian to be so .....so...well for a Norwegian male to even speak in the first place is shocking to anybody who has lived a few years in the Nordic countries, but so much glitz and glitter and just raw HYPE, well it's unnatural.
I wish him well but geeze turn down the hype machine.
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Originally Posted by Viking
Kom nu, drengen!
Se?? It's that sort of totally unrealistic infered comparison of grouping that makes many of us who have been around since 'Mästern' Blomqvist was still in Saab 96 and teammates with Per Eklund that makes us think far too many of you 'Vikingar' have been drinking way too much mjöd (mead to you other guys)(and I think Burns should be in that group either)
The WRC is stuck in a mud hole and so is the worldwide car economy.
It is a scandal that a guy who can drive as quick as Petter has to buy rides, but thatäs just the way things have developed with the morphing of the WRC into a half baked F1 style media cirkus where the "show" is more important the the skill.
Petter gambled with the "Hollywood" persona that that would sell.
But he didn't reckon with how soon people want something new, younger so the mainly 14-24 male age group, the "target market", can identify with the made up heroes.
Petter is just too old.
I kind of see what you're saying. But all this talk of raw HYPE. I don't see it like that. What hype?Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
I think there is a difference between passion and promotion too. Especially now when his best days have faded. The guy still wears his heart on his sleeve - which granted is not a character trait normally associated with Norwegians - but essentially you are just calling him fake.
I dont see hype. I certainly don't see glitz and glitter. I see an emotional guy who has the burning desire to compete. Just because he doesn't fit in within national stereotypical paramaters. That's just my opinion.
nu, jäklar ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
that comparison was a reply to Koppumsbo`s "one time champ" rant, those mentioned was "one time champs" Per Eklund never made it but he is still driving and will do so til he is 70 he says so...
Jag är inte besviken - jag är förbannad! :D
Look, I know about passion for a motorsport driving your whole life, and I know about the need for a "promotable" image, and I can't find exact English idiom or phrase in common usage, so we'll have to hope that some of the boys from "upp i Norden" can make it more precise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
The phrase I want to use is he makes often 'en spel till galleriet' which would be "a play to the galleries" in English but I don't think that phrase is used so commonly in today's English.
Another might be "feberellt glädje''.
Think if Solberg and think of Grönholm.
Grönholm I understand, like and respect. He gets excited, he gets humorous, he can be frustrated, and he can be serious, but there way less TENSION in his persona that what I see obviously in Solberg despite the fact he may be smiling.
I worked among Swedes and Finns in Sweden for 7-8 years, been doing business there for nearly 40 years, I know their characters, I know their culture, and I know the differences between the countries cultures, Solberg is flat wierd for a Norwegian. Especially for a guy in motorsport.
Maybe his public ''persona'' would be better in Los Angeles.
No, guys you just have to lay off this crap talking in this topic.
In this topic we should talk about the good thing of Petter driving the WRC next year in either Ford or C4.
The crap you serve here about him as a nobody or whatever you find out is just rubbish.
Go to the ladies forum and have a nice gossip with the other girls!
Here we want to talk nice things about a nice guy living for his sport.
You must accept him from now on. :evil:
I was about to say something similar. No offence to any driver, they all deserve respect (I really hope a good deal to Mikkelsen soon). But it is sometimes funny to see the naiveness of the norwegian fans...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Well I guess I would be so excited as well, if we would still talk anbout Markko's driving etc.
Perhaps you should read back over some of your own recent posts Tomi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
What are you talking about, i cant remember that I ever have been whining when an old driver call it a day, or been against new talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
[quote="cali"]
Well, he is doing now things that are just as important than the driving.
No mather what talent, what age, what driver or whatever you put in a WRC car, he can't win.. Unless he's in a M1 car and is a priority driver..
Maybe Petter never will win again, but the hunger for a win is a lot bigger for him then many other drivers... At least it seems that way..
Anyways..if he's finnished or not, what he put together this year, and all he had to think about besides driving and testing the car.. Deserves a medal... In my eyes anyway.. But.. I'm Norwegian..
Offcourse it was a big achievement to put together a team in such short time, I wonder if he will do the same next year, or maybe he will do like henning has done.Quote:
Originally Posted by JFL