You know, I'm not so much into politics, I tend to read threads like this rarely. But I gotta say that it is absolutely brilliant to see an American to say something like you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
I bow to you sire.
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You know, I'm not so much into politics, I tend to read threads like this rarely. But I gotta say that it is absolutely brilliant to see an American to say something like you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
I bow to you sire.
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Originally Posted by Eki
you are right, they didn't but Hussein invaded Iran, or don't you remember that little temper tantrum? Hussein tried to steal the Western Oil fields of Iran and when Iran fought back with their vicious and fanatical practice of using 12 year old suicide bombers and the like, Saddam used gas. It was a war that didn't bathe either nation in glory and cost over a million dead.
The Kurds and Shiites were not killed unless they rose against Saddam eh ?? Why would they rise against him if he wasn't already persecuting them? You REALLY believe they would be left alone if they didn't have uprisings? You ever think for a second the reason they were part of guerrilla attacks on Saddam because he was using their kids for cannon fodder? I guess the rape rooms, the genocidal attacks on the Kurd's in 91, and persecution of religious ceremonies around the Shiite shrines in the south were all just fiction? Eki, quit defending Saddam Hussein!!!!! He was a dictator!!!! They persecute their people and if they cannot find someone disloyal to them, they find an excuse to make someone disloyal. Their political power and hold of fear cannot continue without a constant fear of death and reprisal for any slight. You say no nation should tell another what to do, so I guess you feel that any leader can do what he wants in the name of sovereingty? Pol pot killed a Million Cambodians because he distrusted anyone with an education. Logical thought is not a prerequesite for a dictator. Very few stay in power without a constant campaign of fear, oppression and killings. Saddam got the gold star in all three of those things and you stand there and tell me if the Kurd's and Shiites just accepted the Sunni's and Hussein were to run the nation, then everything would be fine. You really are a piece of work Eki, you would condemn everyone outside of your own nation to their own fates, for it didn't meet your ethical standard. You continue to defend a man hung a week ago for reasons that no rational human being who didn't live in Iraq can understand.
Dictators kill, rape and pillage their OWN nation first to attain and keep power. When they get bored with that, they move on, (Iran in 81, Kuwait in 90-91). This man got away with all that, and yet when asked to comply with UN he refused, thinking no one would call his bluff. Someone did.....and while we can agree Iraq is not a garden of paradise now, to defend the man who treated his own people like garbage is just not logical. HE was killing 20000 people a year in a "peaceful" Iraq. Some peace, some freedom....
Studiose's objections to the happenings in Iraq at least have reason and merit, but your steadfast defense of Saddam Hussein is just unfathomable!!!
Forgot to take your meds, eh Stan? Read what I wrote and then try to understand the difference between what I wrote and your leftist drivel. I did not suggest that things are perfect in Iraq, but stated that the Butcher of Bagdad is dead and that the Iraqi people have a democracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
Ah, that certainly justifies murder. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Mark - there are many supporters of dictators, even today. A neighbor was telling me of living in Germany in the 1950s and 1960s. He said the former SS would get together on the weekends and talk about the "good old days." Of course, Eki's position is even less justifiable, since s/he did not live in Iraq, and have the pleasure of being one of Saddam's subjects. It takes all kinds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Agwii, the funny thing is, Eki posted on the thread "Cats are brilliant" how he is against euthanasia for animals since he opposes killing. I have YET ONCE seen a post by Eki condemning Saddam. Not one. He has spent the last two years tearing Dubya apart, and lord knows there is much there to criticize on a level of competetance, but never once has Eki condemened Saddam for his killing.
Instead, he tries to justify his role in persecuting the nation of Iraq. Murder is ok with Eki, just don't kill a cat or hang a dictator....
Mark - that's the typical convoluted logic of leftist tree huggers. Mass murder, genocide, torture, etc., these things are okay. However, don't kill an animal, say cross words to a dictator, or execute a mass murderer. It takes all kinds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
And leaders of so called "democracies" kill, rape and pillage foreign nations. Have you heard about the marines who are accused of raping a 14 year old Iraqi girl and killing her and her family afterwards, or should I educate you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
I haven't seen you condemning Bush for having tens of thousand of Iraqis and thousands of Americans killed either. Oh, and if I recall it right, Bush is pro death penalty himself and had many Texans killed when he was the governor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
First, I suggest you speak face-to-face with a Marine and ask your question. I'm sure you will receive a well-reasoned response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Second, look up the meaning of the word accused. Accusations are tossed about -- just ask the Duke Lacrosse Team. Proof and conviction is another thing. Ask that same Marine (above) how many mass graves and bodies he recovered. The proof of Saddam's mass murders is throughout Iraq.