Craig Breen

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Originally Posted by becher

Well they discribe a certain behavior but they don't randomly insult people and discriminate certain conditions.

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Oh yes, they insult as well. Take off your sunglasses.

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Originally Posted by Norm75

And it’s all very well using some form of impenetrable material for windows but then what happens when a crew is trapped inside a burning vehicle and emergency crews can’t get in to save them?

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You introduce tools that can cut the windows. Emergency crews have this already. Rally crews can have a small tool.
Along the lines of window breaking hammers on public busses.

Primary escape route is always the two doors. Also note that I was talking about sidewindows, not windscreen.

This level of "finding" an issue is like saying cars shouldn't have rollcages cause it makes it hard to climb out trough the boot after crash.

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Originally Posted by becher

What impact other than saving lives had the HANS device?

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When introduced there were issues with limiting head movement, not matching seats, etc. In short, it changed how drivers sat in the cars. Most of those issues were fixed in a few years.

On top of that there were campaigns by rallydrivers (with support of some doctors) towards FIA claiming HANS caused increased spine injuries when car hit a bump/jumped at high speed, don't quite remember how it ended. (but obviously we have HANS today).

My point was that HANS had direct impact on drivers seating/working space. Compared to that changing side window materials is completely negligible.

But as always, it is enough for some people to cry about destroying the sport.

You think a little hammer like on double decker bus would penetrate a window that a fence post hit head on at 100 clicks couldn’t. Cars catching fire and crews needing to get out quickly is a lot more common than freak accidents like Craigs.

Then there are accidents similar to Tanak ending up in a lake where breaking a window quickly if needed would be restricted.

What happened is still not clear. Local reports state:

"There is conflicting information, from a piece of wooden fence breaking into the cockpit of the car and hitting Breen directly in the neck, to the fact that the car was almost intact, with neither the windshield nor the glass on the driver's door broken."

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Originally Posted by mknight

You introduce tools that can cut the windows. Emergency crews have this already. Rally crews can have a small tool.
Along the lines of window breaking hammers on public busses.

Primary escape route is always the two doors. Also note that I was talking about sidewindows, not windscreen.

This level of "finding" an issue is like saying cars shouldn't have rollcages cause it makes it hard to climb out trough the boot after crash.




When introduced there were issues with limiting head movement, not matching seats, etc. In short, it changed how drivers sat in the cars. Most of those issues were fixed in a few years.

On top of that there were campaigns by rallydrivers (with support of some doctors) towards FIA claiming HANS caused increased spine injuries when car hit a bump/jumped at high speed, don't quite remember how it ended. (but obviously we have HANS today).

My point was that HANS had direct impact on drivers seating/working space. Compared to that changing side window materials is completely negligible.

But as always, it is enough for some people to cry about destroying the sport.

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As far I can remember the HANS discussion was just a few drivers being picky idiots and in the end the "comfort" impact was negligible. Never heard about the claimed spine injuries, but I must say that is quite laughable considering it saves (maybe the most important) part of ones spine. Anyway thankfully the r resistance didn't last long.

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Funeral arrangements

Also a link to the live stream of the Funeral Mass ;

https://bit.ly/41utKbx

https://rip.ie/death-notice/craig-br...terford/532670

There is a lot of off-topic going on here.

Please find and/or create appropriate topics for cars safety or "who insulted whom". At the moment it is like a bunch of guys are nagging and fighting on someones grave.

Let Mr Breen rest in peace and keep this topic for him only.

IMO it’s time to close this thread. Or at least tomorrow after the funeral

Has gone off topic and some bad sentences here