Young talented drivers

For the moment, none of them seems to have the required capacity to be at the top.
Abbring : good driver for sure, but I don't see in him a future world star.
Camilli : fast for sure ... but he reminds Gilbert, he made too many mistakes. But he is faster than Gilbert, that's sure too. He has to be more calm to win.
Lefebvre : He is really impressive. Maybe the only able to reach the top level ... but since the end of last year, he seems a bit in trouble. He lost something ... but as he will drive WRC this year (and probably next year), he has time to learn.
Suninen : we don't him a lot ... for sure he is fast, as he proved last year in Finland. Now he needs to get out of Finland, and show us what he can do. But his problem is that he doesn't tarmac ...

Talking about young guys, there was the first of German champ.
Fabian Kreim, young Skoda Germany driver, won easily the race. great job by Marijan Griebel (Opel) who finished 4th.
There was the German Opel Cup, which is one the best one-make cup in the world (maybe the best this year). That was an easy win for Julius Tannert (2nd year). Second is dan' Jacob Mabsen (2nd year too). Young finish Vuorisalo is 3rd, and first newcomer. Last year he finished 2nd in Fiesta Cup Finland, beaten by Suninen.
Yannick Neuville, brother of Thierry, had some problems, but he won the last stages, and showed a great speed.

Well I don't have much impressions from young drivers, probably i have mostly for Abbring, he has the necessary skills and he has the motivation. What else do we need? Time and seat in WRC car for season or two to see where he progresses. If VW has seen enough potential in him, may be he has what is necessary.
Camilli? May be we can think a bit for him as the new Loeb or Ogier. He is not that young, but suddenly appears at some rally scene and handles the competition pretty well. I didn't see much of driving from him unfortunately to say how good he is.

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Originally Posted by vino_93

There was the German Opel Cup, which is one the best one-make cup in the world (maybe the best this year). That was an easy win for Julius Tannert (2nd year). Second is dan' Jacob Mabsen (2nd year too). Young finish Vuorisalo is 3rd, and first newcomer. Last year he finished 2nd in Fiesta Cup Finland, beaten by Suninen.
Yannick Neuville, brother of Thierry, had some problems, but he won the last stages, and showed a great speed.

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No it's not one of the best one-make cups... All respect for Yannick Neuville, but if he's so close to the top drivers within that trophy, for me it means nobody is extremely fast...

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Originally Posted by AL14

After Ogier's win in Mexico yesterday I think this thread should be digged up with some questions:

Since at the moment no one seems capable to match Ogier's infernal pace, while we wait for Neuville and Mikkelsen to be at the top of their learning curve, let's keep talking about some young guy on the rise.
Camilli, Lefebvre, Suninen, Abbring himself (even if he is already driving a WRC) and many other. You think they will be capable to dethrone le roi in the future or they're going to be just good drivers?
I know, it's a kind of a too general question but I think this thread should survive somehow ;)

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I'm just online didn't have proper time to read them all but great move AL14 to give this thread a refresh we need this very much !

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I'm just online didn't have proper time to read them all but great move AL14 to give this thread a refresh we need this very much !

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Thanks mate. Where is the guy who share the wine picture everytime? This could be an occasion for one of his toast :)

As a swede and while Adam Cup is mentioned we have Emil Bergkvist, who must be one of the hottest young swedes in ages. His learning curve just started. If money is present and good advisers as well, he´d be a young talent to be watched.

There are so many out there, but they can only be judged fair if they drive as many international rallies as possible.

Yeah that's the key in this one; mileage.
If you are noticed in your home country, next thing is the Scandinavians ( gravel/snow ) need tarmac mileage and the others ( tarmac ) need gravel mileage, and quickly I no time to loose. (So in this context it's good that we see Finns in Opel Cup in Germany.) If you still noticed -read: manufactures get interested- get the budget and drive WRC junior or WRC 3, get use to all the different aspect of every WRC rally. When manufacuter knocks on your door you need at least 2 YEARS to make mileage in R5 or WRC junior team car...!!! Look at all stats of f.e. The Ogier-thing: you need time to make mistakes, to adapt the notes, find momentum. So at this point there is hardly no talent ready to deliver. We say it takes so long till Toyota enters the WRC but, to find talents, they are too late.
Judging young guys now is impossible if they haven't done WRC enough. Only exeption is Lefebvre they are making mileage now, with experienced Prévot, they are far ahead of the rest, but still beginners. other one is Abbring f.i. he did JWRC at same year as Neuville did...

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Thanks mate. Where is the guy who share the wine picture everytime? This could be an occasion for one of his toast :)

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he is currently planting the vines, after enough years will get a well aged wine

Look how long it takes before a diamant is perfectly cut ... ;)
and they should not only be French ones...

Ole Christian veiby, Steve Røkland and Marius Aasen, is probably the next guys from norway.
Veiby was 3.rd in monte in wrc3, has the same managment as lappi and Mikkelsen, and enough money in the system to bring him to his potential.