Is There a God?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Please inform me as to where I have done this. Let's spare the semantics — he is saying that those with religious beliefs are, on certain grounds, superior to those without. I don't see how his words could be interpreted any other way, except by those who share his point of view and seek to justify it.

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How can you possibly take the following quote and see it as arrogant?

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

I did not mean that my thinking is superior to yours. One thing Christianity teaches is being humble. :) On the individual level our thinking is as good as our mental ability is. Theists can be just as terribly wrong on any given account as atheists could be. The difference is theists have a different big picture of the world, know there are certain things beyond their control and accept that. Moreover, they have a plausible explanation of why things go wrong or right.

On a different note, evoking the examples of Muslim extremists was still questionable. Every half-decent professor would tell you it is a weak technique of arguing.

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He acknowledges fault in the finding of theists being the same as those of aetheists. He simply states how a theist accepts such faults and deals with them differing from that of an aetheist. One could just as easibly state that any aetheist explaining their grounds for reasoning is arrogant, and I've given examples that much of that reasoning is still second hand or later.

As for the assumption that I share such beliefs and wish to justify them, it's simply an incorrect assumption. But I find no reason to insult anyone for their beliefs, regardless of what the basis for them is.

If you think you have witnessed a miracle there are two possible reasons:

1) The laws of nature and the universe have temporarily been suspended in your favour

or

2) You are either under a delusion or misapprehension.

Both of these possible answers should be weighed up against each other to see which is more likely. It is also worth highlighting that the human mind is very susceptible to hallucinations and there is a lot about medicine that we don't yet know.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

If you think praying is self centered, then surely you can give examples in which aetheists and agnostics accept their place of being inferior in the world, and acknowledge and gives thanks to the person they consider their primary form of guidance? If sitting before a meal and giving thanks for that meal is arrogant and selfish, how does not displaying thanks for it make one less arrogant?

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Thanking the person who cooked/paid for the meal would be good manners, but one would do this because they are a decent person, not because they want to please god.

Most of the atheists I know accept that we are insignificant beings on an insignificant planet in an insignificant galaxy. Thinking that the 'creator' of all this cares about whether we eat or not is a bit self-centered in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

How can you possibly take the following quote and see it as arrogant?

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This statement: 'The difference is theists have a different big picture of the world, know there are certain things beyond their control and accept that. Moreover, they have a plausible explanation of why things go wrong or right.'

None of this is exclusive to believers. It suggests to me a superiority inherent in belief.

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Originally Posted by Mark

I believe in God for I am he :D

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You're Lemmy from Motörhead???

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Thanking the person who cooked/paid for the meal would be good manners, but one would do this because they are a decent person, not because they want to please god.

Most of the atheists I know accept that we are insignificant beings on an insignificant planet in an insignificant galaxy. Thinking that the 'creator' of all this cares about whether we eat or not is a bit self-centered in my opinion.

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So you don't have any examples of when a non believer openly accept their place as being insignificant?

Humanity has created thousands of gods in it's history in an effort to explain what it didn't understand. What makes the current set any different from others?

Religion and god are nothing more than human constructs and only exist in the minds of their believers.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

This statement: 'The difference is theists have a different big picture of the world, know there are certain things beyond their control and accept that. Moreover, they have a plausible explanation of why things go wrong or right.'

None of this is exclusive to believers. It suggests to me a superiority inherent in belief.

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So anyone with a different opinion is assumed to be arrogant and self centered, and thinks themselves superior? If that is the case the inverse is true, that all aetheists assume themselves superior due to a different reasoning and explanation of events.

Only if you view the statement with great bias did he state anything that the aetheists did not.

On a lighter note, did you hear about the agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac? He used to lie awake at night wondering if there was a dog!

Oldie but a goodie

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Originally Posted by airshifter

But let's face facts. The vast majority of people wouldn't know that a car runs on fuel unless they read about it in a book.

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Cause they do not need to fill it up every now and then?