4 degrees of camber

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I hate to admit it but ioan in his blind hatred for Pirelli has actually stumbled onto a valid point.

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If they would deliver F1 level quality product I wouldn't even say a word about them, instead they are even asking for rule changes mid season to cover their less then optimum product.

This precedent is rather dangerous because more can follow soon and before not too long we will be watching GP1 (well those who will decide to keep watchin' it).

Since all pirelli threads have been infested can we start a new one... the ioanfree pirelli thread? If I were a psychiatrist I would find the discussion interesting but now I really have to look for worth reading material... not only I have to skip what Ioan says but there´s plenty of naive people around trying to have a sensible discussion with him and they are failing miserably. Just imagine that half of my countryboys behave likes this... it´s just awesome :rolleyes:

If anyone can quote a rules change, please quote it. I don't know of any rules change.

Pirelli have simply asked the FIA to help them check car setups in the event they have tire problems, to find out if the problem is the tire or the setup. We've already had one episode of RB crying foul when in fact their setup caused the problem. Personally I think if the team claims the car was unsafe they should have been forced the change the tires and/or camber angle and started from pit lane.

Really RB only thought it was unsafe when they stood to gain an advantage. If forced to give up the advantage, it was safe enough to run the cars.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I hate to admit it but ioan in his blind hatred for Pirelli has actually stumbled onto a valid point.

I don't think the FIA should make a change to the regulations to limit camber. It's up to a team how they set their car up and if a team is stupid enough to exceed a Tyre manufacturers recommendation, then that's up to them. There is also the argument that after running at a recommended 4 degree (for example), a team looks at how their tyres perform and decide that they can run more.

However, it's not fair to Pirelli if a team exceeds the recommendation with insufficient data to back up the decision and then blames the Tyres as RBR did. In this circumstance it should be made abundantly clear that it's the teams fault and not the Tyres.


Oh, I jsut saw the flag.

I would suggest that the teams declare their Camber angle after Qualifying and this is made public knowledge. That way, the commentators and us the fans (remember us Jean Todt?) will be aware of what is going on and Pirelli won't get negative publicity in the event of a preventable tyre failure.

As for the safety aspect? It is the teams responsibility and always has been to protect their drivers and how they configure their cars.

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I can't believe how long you been here with so many posts and this is the kind of nonsense you post?? I assume you have been watching F! all that time? What the hell are you talking about? Should the FIa regulate how many laps you can drive on any given tire, too? Cause that's way more risky then driving with a camber that tends to blister the tires.

Your entire nonsnse about pirelli and tire failure is so mindbogglingly retarded and so detached from reality I can only.... Oh wait I see the flag.


Suddenly "it" all makes so much sense.


What a joke.

This is nothing more than the inbred trash running the FIA trying to screw over vettel/red bull. The end. They don't care about the drivers. They don't care about "brand name". Last i checked, purposely making garbage tires doesn't exactly raise your stock as a "good" tire company.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

Oh wait I see the flag.


Suddenly "it" all makes so much sense.


What a joke.

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What is your problem with the English or any other nation then?

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Originally Posted by aki13

What is your problem with the English or any other nation then?

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Nothing. But it does explain such responses, as bigotry and jingoism tend to breed such "logic".

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

As for the safety aspect? It is the teams responsibility and always has been to protect their drivers and how they configure their cars.

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True, but but in the last 20yrs or so the FIA has increasingly stepped in when there is any hint of a safety issue (largely as a result of Imola 1994), and it seems clear there have been safety concerns with the tyres in Spa and again this weekend.

If the teams are going beyond the limits of the tyres, against all the advice of Pirelli, then the FIA see it as their job to step in.

There are some comparisons to be made with the Indy GP fiasco. I know the problem then was the tyres themselves, not the use of them by the teams, but Michelin made suggestions as to how the tyres could be made to last and so actually race. In this case the FIA rejected those suggestions and a race of sorts could go ahead because there was another tyre supplier in F1.

Now, there is no alternative. The FIA wanted a single tyre supplier (the motivation for the treatment of Michelin) so that it could use the tyres as a means to slow speeds and 'spice up the show'.

It's an example of the way the FIA regulates almost every aspect of the cars, to the extent that teams and designers have a very small window for development and innovation.

That's the way F1 is in 2011. I don't particularly like it but unless and until the regulations are freed up it's what we have.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

Nothing. But it does explain such responses, as bigotry and jingoism tend to breed such "logic".

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I'm sorry but since your second post on here and consistently since you have been making anti British statements, what is the problem?

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Originally Posted by aki13

What is your problem with the English or any other nation then?

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Just ignore Tamburello. He's a funny little man that has personal issues. You have far more chance of ioan dressing us as a Pirelli girl than Tamburello posting a intelligent entry.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Just ignore Tamburello. He's a funny little man that has personal issues. You have far more chance of ioan dressing us as a Pirelli girl than Tamburello posting a intelligent entry.

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When I joined Tamb was in his dying days before being banned or whatever, but I obviously missed some fun before that then.