Should f1 run coupes?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

So why were Jackie Stewart in Formula 1 when he was obviously concerned about safety then?

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He was quite veciferous on the subject of barriers - your example of the chaps car going under the barrier - who in their right mind these days has a barrier with a space underneath it? You see, safety keps improving. Rather than cure the problem with a covered cockpit, prevent it by having proper barriers.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

The pit babes should he higher up you list ;) :D

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Nah, ice cream wins hands down, plus I can have as many as I want! :D

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

He was quite veciferous on the subject of barriers - your example of the chaps car going under the barrier - who in their right mind these days has a barrier with a space underneath it? You see, safety keps improving. Rather than cure the problem with a covered cockpit, prevent it by having proper barriers.

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How the hell does a barrier solve the lack of safety that is inherent to an open cockpit?!

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Originally Posted by ioan

Nah, ice cream wins hands down, plus I can have as many as I want! :D

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:laugh: :up:

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Originally Posted by ioan

How the hell does a barrier solve the lack of safety that is inherent to an open cockpit?!

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If the car cannot travel under the barrier and hence take the drivers head off................ also modern barriers are designed to absorb energy and prevent the car bouncing back onto the racing line.

But other than that ioan, SFA I guess.....

I would happily wager a bet that drivers will take many more risks in closed wheel/cockpit F1 cars, and could easily in itself lead to more accidents due to the false sense of security given.

Touring cars is a prime example...

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Originally Posted by ioan

I'm impress with how much rubbish you can come up to try to defend the un-defendable.
Who asked for stopping sports? Did I say they should stop racing?!

Tell me do they ware tibia protection in Football? Yes they do. By your account they must be stupid to try to protect them from the possible accidents.
Also do they use all kind of head protection in Rugby? Yes they do, so they must be idiots cause they try to protect themselves as much as possible without impairing their performance.
BTW do they use lots of protection in Hockey? Hell sure they do, I wonder why?! Maybe so that someone can come up with some utterly ridiculous post like yours and question an athletes need for protecting his own body and health.

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All above is true but they could do more to make those sports even more safe, but they choose not to because it would take away THE important element of the sport. That's the point, F1 is open-wheel, open cockpit racing just like hockey is a contact sport. Mess with that and you'll destroy the sport.

BTW where did I question athlete's need for protecting his own body and health? You and poster Daniel should go private and start an argument for the sake of it since you two guys love that so much.

This thread is hilarious.

Safety in racing is reactive, not pro-active. The HANS Device, high-sided cockpits, carbon fibre chassis, SAFER Barrier, close-faced helmets, wheel tethers and so on ad infinitum have all come about as there was a need for them to be designed in order to improve safety.

I have a question for you all (generalising to all open-wheel type cars, and I assume that CART/Indycars are as safe as F1 cars): Would Greg Moore have benefitted from a closed cockpit, or would he still have met the same fate? Would Zanardi have suffered the same injuries in a car with enclosed wheels/body?

The fact is that improvements in safety come about when there is a need for it to be addressed. As I mentioned above an open cockpit is not a design flaw, but an inherent part in the design of a 'formula' car. Changing that design to be closed-cockpit would radically alter the shape of the car, and would no doubt turn a lot of fans off.

I'm also of the opinion that improvements in safety have lead drivers to take increased ricks on-track, as there is a certain level of belief that they will escape (relatively) unharmed if accidents occur.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

All above is true but they could do more to make those sports even more safe, but they choose not to because it would take away THE important element of the sport. That's the point, F1 is open-wheel, open cockpit racing just like hockey is a contact sport. Mess with that and you'll destroy the sport.

BTW where did I question athlete's need for protecting his own body and health? You and poster Daniel should go private and start an argument for the sake of it since you two guys love that so much.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Well sorry for having an opinion and trying to justify it :rolleyes:

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We both know that's not the case. You constantly start provocative threads just for the sake of it.