Hamilton: Maybe it's because I'm black

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30th May 2011, 14:12
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

No need 'Z' I am quite proud to be a Schumacher fan, indeed I feel very fortunate to have witnessed his 91GP wins :champion: , 7 WDC's :champion: and 154 podiums :up:

Ah yes, now I believe you're a Schumacher fan, stats are your only friends. ;) You know, it's very good that he achieved all of that, because it must be pretty painful to watch him getting thrashed by Britney for the last 2 years. Those 91 victories will serve as a good cushion to rest his trampled arsch.
30th May 2011, 14:15
The Black Knight

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Originally Posted by aki13

By all means attack and try and pass, but if it fails he has to accept his faults, you could chuck it up the inside of anyone every lap but wouldn't last long. So he has to be patient. Around Monaco you get drivers stuck behind others for 40 laps, no point in just launching it in there and hoping the other driver gets out of the way.

I think what got to most, was the way he didn't accept any blame. Surely even if you feel Massa or Hulkenberg were at fault you wouldn't claim it was 100% his fault like Lewis did.

The attitude to the race was worse than what he did on the track. If he'd of said, "I tried the pass I thought Massa should have seen me, but maybe I was a bit too late to make the move" then many would accept it as a mistake in racing, but to rant that Massa and Maldonado just turned into him just to stop Lewis passing is not right.

Those drivers wouldn't take such stupid risks just to stop Lewis passing because they ruin there own race.

Clearly Massa did see him because he changed his racing line to block him which is what caused them to tangle anyway. Saying that a coming together was probably inevitable anyway once he made the move from the position he was in. I agree that Lewis was at fault for the Massa incident but Massa was a little as well and I believe Lewis should acknowledge this but it doesn’t appear like that is going to happen.
30th May 2011, 14:16
The Black Knight

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Ah yes, now I believe you're a Schumacher fan, stats are your only friends. ;) You know, it's very good that he achieved all of that, because it must be pretty painful to watch him getting thrashed by Britney for the last 2 years. Those 91 victories will serve as a good cushion to rest his trampled arsch.

At 42 years of age he is clearly not the force he used to be. He will never be the Schumacher of old but I don't know many 42 year olds that could do what he is doing now. The way he was throwing the car around in Monaco was almighty impressive. For a 42 year old he is super.
30th May 2011, 14:26
Cooper_S

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Ah yes, now I believe you're a Schumacher fan, stats are your only friends. ;) You know, it's very good that he achieved all of that, because it must be pretty painful to watch him getting thrashed by Britney for the last 2 years. Those 91 victories will serve as a good cushion to rest his trampled arsch.

not in the slightest... as usual his detractors always make this wrong assumption... to me he retired end of 2006 and the mere fact Kimi managed to win in 2007 is ample proof Schumacher would have been 8 time WDC... but that is life but now he is just having a laugh and in the 3 years he was away from F1 I've formed new allegences, and so he is now just another racer out there, and so long as he beats Rubens that is all I ask... so far so good.

Facts are facts and I cannot help his career stats... they happened and there is nothing I can do about them.
30th May 2011, 14:27
N. Jones

Ha! Knew this was going to get talked about heavily. Was he kidding or telling the truth?

Me? I think "In humor lies the truth." Poor guy....
30th May 2011, 14:30
Cooper_S

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I agree that Lewis was at fault for the Massa incident but Massa was a little as well and I believe Lewis should acknowledge this but it doesn’t appear like that is going to happen.

Very few incidents are all one drivers fault but 50:50 tends to result in no penalty but 70:30 will and that is what happened... in fairness Lewis's post race comments have overshadowed the comments of Massa post race which I believe to be groundless blame laying at Lewis.
30th May 2011, 14:39
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

not in the slightest... as usual his detractors always make this wrong assumption... to me he retired end of 2006 and the mere fact Kimi managed to win in 2007 is ample proof Schumacher would have been 8 time WDC... but that is life but now he is just having a laugh and in the 3 years he was away from F1 I've formed new allegences, and so he is now just another racer out there, and so long as he beats Rubens that is all I ask... so far so good.

Well, him having a laugh is costing Mercedes a truckload of money. :)
30th May 2011, 14:48
Cooper_S

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Well, him having a laugh is costing Mercedes a truckload of money. :)

LOL... Not my problem... besides I am a BMW man anyway... Mercedes is one of the reasons I don't support McLaren.

As I said as far as I am concerend Schumacher has rewarded my support more than any other driver and and I have moved on since 2006 and I am now enjoying the careers of new drivers like Button and Vettel (both ex BMW) and Lewis as he is fun to watch.
30th May 2011, 15:11
F1boat

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Ah yes, now I believe you're a Schumacher fan, stats are your only friends. ;) You know, it's very good that he achieved all of that, because it must be pretty painful to watch him getting thrashed by Britney for the last 2 years. Those 91 victories will serve as a good cushion to rest his trampled arsch.

I'll answer to both your posts here, because I have a bit of trouble with quoting. First of all, about MS, it is normal for an old driver not to be as fast as his prime. If you follow WRC, you would have noticed that legendary drivers like Makinen and Sainz were not very fast at the end of their careers. I believe that similar examples are Foyt in Indy Car and Petty in NASCAR , I might add Bernd Schneider in the DTM. I don't think that a few ordinary years in the gloom of their careers diminish their achievements in their prime.
About the comparisons with Ayrton Senna, I'm not sure that being arrogant about your crime is better than being shady about it. Not that it is worse, they are equally wrong IMO. Obviously, not for you, as Ayrton drove for McLaren and Michael for Ferrari and Benetton.
About Lewis, I think that it is obvious that his overtaking moves are extremely aggressive and most drivers back off when they see him attacking, just like Alonso was very cautious of Montoya in 2005. Drivers like Montoya and Hamilton would attempt an overtake, even with the risk of crash. Most drivers do not share the "hero or zero" approach and back off, however, sometimes they try to defend themselves, like Massa in Monaco. In that case, Hamilton's aggression ruined his race. But last year, in Monza, it cost him dearly. It will be very good for Lewis if he can learn to control his temper. If he can't, however, he has to be punished by the stewards, like Vettel, who was punished for stupid moves after Oz 09 or in the Belgium GP last year. Nothing personal, but F1 are not bumper cars.
And about the hatred, everybody here probably knows that I am an emotional fan, but more towards certain attitude than against certain drivers. I can not stand pricks who think that the world owes them. However, I was able to cheer for Hammy in the past, as now I am impressed by Sebastian and happy for him.
30th May 2011, 15:51
555-04Q2

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Originally Posted by Mark

Worth a thread of it's own this.

But he is black...or is he green...or yellow...or blue...

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