Will SchM succeed in his comeback?

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'd love to know what you think you see when you watch a grand prix. Its almost as though the last 3 years do not exist. Alonso has not shown the superiority over the likes of Vettel and particularly Hamilton to which you claim here.

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Yet you know full well why Fernando struggled against Hamilton.

"We Were Racing Alonso" says it all.

But, of course, Mclaren are a team with integrity and honesty, I forget.

Except the last three seasons that you claim to have been watching show that to be quite false.

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Originally Posted by henners88

You can cling on to that Dennis quote, and shroud it in conspiracy theories all you like. There is no proof, its only your opinion.

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It is not my opinion that Ron Dennis said those very words.

It is fact.

That is what is known as proof, straight from the horses mouth.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

It is not my opinion that Ron Dennis said those very words.
It is fact.
That is what is known as proof, straight from the horses mouth.

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I know full well what he said, but I don't know how so much can be read from one sentence. Is this you tamb? :p
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So you believe certain things Ron Dennis says then?

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Originally Posted by tamburello

"We Were Racing Alonso" says it all.

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Unwritten understood and accepted rule No.1 of F1 - first person to beat is your teammate.

If you are not permitted to race your teammate, that suggests team orders.

The exact quote was in answer to a question put to RD immediately after the 2007 Chinese GP when he said:

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"The problem was rain and his [Hamilton’s] tyres were in the worst condition. But we weren’t at all fazed about Kimi [Raikkonen]. We weren’t racing Kimi, we were basically racing Fernando. Kimi winning and Lewis coming second was adequate. It just didn’t quite work out that way."

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Fact and context.

Still, not sure what this has to do with the success, or otherwise, of MS's comeback :crazy:

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

I suspect that in Bahrain Vettel did not pace himself well and Alonso, who caught up to him, was managing for the last 12 laps - in the end he did not have to and won far ahead of everyone else.

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I suspect you have absolutely no proof or evidence to support your "suspicion"

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

I wouldn't place Vettel or Hamilton in the same league as Alonso either. He has no weaknesses and is team LEADER along the lines of Schumi as opposed to being capable of number 1 status as the other two you have mentioned.

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Vettel and Hamilton both are better drivers than alonso. Hamilton proved it enough in 2007.

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Evidence the Japanese Grand Prix of 2008 for example. Hamilton relies on his team and obeys.

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What evidence, what was so grand about what he did?

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Underrate Alonso all you want - he is still the most accomplished driver on the grid - aside from Schumacher.

He defeated Schumacher TWICE and is currently number one driver for Ferrari and leads the 2010 championship.

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Schumacher defeated Alonso THREE TIMES.

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It is the peaks the quality of the peaks that one judges a driver and he commands from the cockpit which he did as an excellent example in Japan 2008 and in an inferior car.

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What was so excellent about it?

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A driver such as Hamilton obeys his team.

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As does the "great Alonso".
Remember, he himself claimed he had nothing to do with picking the strategy for singapore GP, and said he LEAVES IT ALL FOR THE TEAM TO CHOOSE. So much about him making the calls.

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PS: he was placed NINTH as the alltime great in the driver survey undertaken by Autosport - aside from Schumacher - it makes him the best driver on the grid and in front of him were THE names of motor racing.

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So autosport survey is it. That is all that counts, right?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

The exact quote was in answer to a question put to RD immediately after the 2007 Chinese GP when he said:
Fact and context.

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Thank you for confirming the fact and context.

Which was, as you have so kindly proven, that Ron Dennis, the team principal of Mclaren, confirming with his own mouth that the team were racing Alonso.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Thank you for confirming the fact and context.

Which was, as you have so kindly proven, that Ron Dennis, the team principal of Mclaren, confirming with his own mouth that the team were racing Alonso.

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Yep, so got any proof about Alonso being harmed by McLaren or not given equal treatment?
This is usually were Alonso fans suddenly get busy and claim their mums need their PCs

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

I suspect you have absolutely no proof or evidence to support your "suspicion"

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It's not a bad suspicion though is it?

With the new regs a lot of talk pre-race centered on how drivers would manage the tyres and fuel load. Is it possible that Alonso managed his tyres and fuel better than Vettel?

Still, not sure what this has to do with the success, or otherwise, of MS's comeback :crazy: :p