Renault get a 2 year suspended ban

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I think we can now say that Renault's decision not to defend themselves against the allegations was an admission of guilt. There was never likely to be a series of documents, let's face it, given that it all happened during a race. And the telemetry is pretty conclusive too.

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Telemetry proves Piquet can't drive for 5h!t....

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I was thinking Toro Rosso, but perhaps it was Force India (or whatever they were called at the time) who "obtained" drawings of a rivals car.

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I think it was STR, but I cannot recall who's drawings they had.......

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yes they did. That's why when the FIA checked the new car design in December 2007 they've found at least 3 systems copied from the F2007 and McLaren were asked to change those systems.

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No, the FIA said that if evidence of use of the three systems in question that Ferrari had been working on - fast fill, quick shift and something else I cannot recall, they would face further sanctions.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

No buts..... you're not meant to have your competitors documents and you should be penalised for it.

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Agreed. Thank you!

I have never said that McLaren shouldn't be punished. They deserved to be and were.

I just question why weren't Renault and by your post, I assume you are asking the same question.

Then we have this incident which the Max and the FIA has said is worse than the Spygate and Renault still don't get punished.

It seems that if the FIA decide you are pivortal to FI, ie Renault and Ferrari, then the rules and punishment is different from other competitors.

PS Can we remember the Forum Protocol thread?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I think it was STR, but I cannot recall who's drawings they had.......

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No buts about it, it was Spyker who obtained Red Bull drawings (link). The FIA weren't interested in that one.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

No buts about it, it was Spyker who obtained Red Bull drawings (link).

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Good find Watson!

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

I have never seen a bunch of people that hate the people of f1 as so many here: Max, Bernie, Flavio you name them - very sad.

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Max is someone who, in his younger days, was a supporter of his father's fascist movement, and more recently has been fundamentally bad at his job, leaving aside the comments it is easy to make about him continuing to demonstrate some of the tendencies of his father. Flavio should have gone to prison. Are these people worthy of our admiration? Or should we automatically, unthinkingly, slavishly respect them because they have a lot of money?

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Agreed. Thank you!

I have never said that McLaren shouldn't be punished. They deserved to be and were.

I just question why weren't Renault and by your post, I assume you are asking the same question.

Then we have this incident which the Max and the FIA has said is worse than the Spygate and Renault still don't get punished.

It seems that if the FIA decide you are pivortal to FI, ie Renault and Ferrari, then the rules and punishment is different from other competitors.

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Indeed, but it also appears that the press are really getting their teeth into the Renault Fixing case.

Headlines like 'Anger at Renault leniancy' and questions of the closeness of the regulator to the promoter - i.e. Bernie and CVC could not afford for Renault to leave because;

Red Bull lose an engine supplier and Renault would be out,

Rules would need to be change to allow manufacturers to supply more engines.

If the press start baying for Max's blood, when he no longer has the protection of the FIA on his side, he will be crucified. And this is why I think having Todt as his replacement will not be allowed to happen, because he will be Max's puppet.

WIth Max out, it's fair game and you can bet there will be more grime dug up from his past. ANd I suspect this is why he pursued the privacy thing, because, on the face of it, it appears he has much murkier past than just bondage and fancy dress.

I agree with much of that Wilko but don't think JT will be Max's puppet but rather would continue in the same vein as they share a vision.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I agree with much of that Wilko but don't think JT will be Max's puppet but rather would continue in the same vein as they share a vision.

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The way I see it - so it is ONLY MY OPINION - Ferrari had all the favours from the FIA when Todt was at the helm of the Scuderia, and Max at the FIA.

In order to protect other team bosses outing whatever lies and scandal from Max's closet, he needs someone to carry on 'the good work'.

As much I admire Todt for getting things done, he is so totally wrong for the head of the FIA because of his associations and past connections with current teams in FIA governed sports.

Remembering here that Ari was only a driver - I think.