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Originally Posted by ioan
Ferrari told Rubens to let MS past like 10 laps from the end. It was Rubens who decided to make them sweat and leave it till the last moment - presumably to make a point.
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Originally Posted by ioan
Ferrari told Rubens to let MS past like 10 laps from the end. It was Rubens who decided to make them sweat and leave it till the last moment - presumably to make a point.
Erm - my claim is that McLaren didn't impose direct team orders. The fact they ain't been accused by the stewards would surely mean they didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
So my opinion is backed up by actual fact.
Regarding the double standards act - I'm going on my personal opinion, opinion is objective, there is no right and wrong opinion - we're all entitled to opinions, however I do feel some are rational and some are not. I think team orders should be used, but in a sportingly way as possible. Which is why I see situations as Austria 2002 as wrong, and Brazil 2007 or Germany 2008 as correct. Irrelevant of the team - as I've said numerous times to Iona.
But he seems happy to rant on and on and on and on about double standards, ignoring fact that Ferrari used similar orders in Brazil 2007 and no one made a fuss.
My post below is not aimed at you (so dont take anything posted personally :) )Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
Ferrari fans dont deny that Ferrari have used the tactic in the past. What gets up our goat is people massacre Ferrari when they do it, but when we complain about another team doing it, we are being "unfair" or "biased". Austria 2002 caused such a stink when there were no team rules in place, it was perfectly legal, yet look at the uproar it caused. Why not uproar this time when there are rules now governing it. All we ask is for a bit of a balance and fair play. If people are going to point a finger they must be prepared to get a finger pointed back at them.
Virtually parking it at the hairpin ala Schumi's Monaco style (while his teammate happens to be right behind him) is not evidence enough for you :?: :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by jjanicke
I dont think honest Ron is about to reveal to the world what actually transpired.
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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Yep, noone complained about Brazil 2007 so I see no reason why Germany 2008 should be any different.
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.
The team orders rule was introduced so the teams wouldn't be too tempted to make their orders appear farcical, like in 2002. Anyone who thinks that the 'team orders' rule has not been broken since then is plain stupid.
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
People were appalled with 2002 because it was unjust and unsporting. For the record, I also disagree with DC moving over as well as there was no reason. It was silly but a stupid agreement between the drivers that should never have been.
Brazil last year and Germany this year were completely different.
Well, Heikki got his reward for being a good lapdog....
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69523
That's one less place for Alonso to go! :p
English is the international language bla bla bla, go tell that to a French for example!Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
Or to a Chinese who never learned English. And the list could go on.
I see now the color of some so called F1 fans. If someone says something negative about their favorite team, than if it isn't said and reported in English, than it doesn't count anymore! It is a childish way of defending an argument.
As for my English, I bet it's better than your Romanian, or any other language that it happens that I speak fluently. :laugh:
What I don't understand is this. Finland isn't a small country, and in motorsport terms it punches well above its weight. There's a huge amount of speciallist motorsport press in Finland as well as the rest of the world. And yet. And yet... this quote attributed to Heikki has not been reported anywhere else expect in the one link eventually provided by someone other than ioan, despite my repeated asking. In fact, it's not even a quote, it's somebody's interpretation of what he may or may not have said.
Does that not seem strange to anybody else? That such a damning quote hasn't been picked up on by the media - either in Finland or anywhere else.
Could it be, could it possibly be, that Heikki never actually said such a thing?