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Originally Posted by Alexamateo
I don't see a radiator in the nose. I see Jim had the side mounted radiator pulled down a bit.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to replumb a side breather to a nose breather but not the other way.
The 1973 Kenyon/Coyote-Eagle/Foyt would be the last one. A 1967 Coyote.
I have Opera and was able to enlarge the image 200 percent; there are two small openings in the nose.
What they do who knows, perhaps and extra oil cooler for the blower or who knows what.
Bob
Nope, the 1972 and 1973 cars ran with bigger wings, front and back. These cars when they were clipped at Pocono in 1973 became handfuls. So USAC allowed all 1972 and 1973 this small openings to increase the front downforce and allow for something very important, better stearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Problem was in 1974 when Gurney built an Eagle and McLaren built a new car these cars were considerably slower due to that.
Part of history. Oil Coolers were located as part of the radiator system. Some were split as I understand it.
What are we all arguing about here anyway?
When this car came up before, it was finally settled that it was indeed the car that raced as a Tipke. Whether or not Mr. Tipke used an Eagle or Foyt or Atlanta as the basis or not was not discussed and as near as I can tell would be speculation. Perhaps we should ask the guy himself (or his survivors - do not know if he is alive...)
http://www.tipkemfg.com/
As for Waldo's explanation of the nose holes - you mean the new Ferrari snout is not original??? :D Seems like a pretty good explanation for the McLaren and is consistent with Phoenix's first hand observations.
That being said - the #41 in the original photo clearly has a big enough opening in the nose to accommodate radiators you can see the shadow lines of the inside corners of the opening- it does not appear to be protective tape to me.....
Not to further stray from the issue - but re-plumbing a car is really no big deal - the Tyrell cars of Jackie Stewart ran both front and rear/side mounted configurations on the same car. It might not have been pretty (water pipes exposed etc.) but it most certainly CAN be done. For that matter - the original Bob Riley Coyote of 1973 had side radiators but the later versions had front mounted radiators (or at least some front mounted cooling). Actually, if you wanted to get real technical - I would imagine the fastest front radiatored car ever at Indy was probably Foyt's 1978 Coyote (I think it qualified at over 200 mph). If you can put a V-12 Voekler engine in a 1972 Antares I think you can move the radiator on an M-16 McLaren (not saying this is what happened - but it CAN be done)....
So, Bob, can you re-cap the info on these cars???
THe site with the info on Jim Tipke is under developement, and yes one can try to call his company and speak to him.
I will not give the web site just yet as I want to see if anyone can find out who built Wally Pankratz's RE car.(Not a Tipke)
Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
I don't know, but I am trying to make an educated guess here. Wally Pankratz never made an Indycar start, but did have two appearances at Riverside and Phoenix in a King-Chevy, so I'm going to say that he took that car and made a supermod out of it, so I'll say it's a Grant King car.
Good try, but Nope, purpose built, check around western tracks where he ran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexamateo
Is the coast clear. :D
Any way I will be back shortly with some info I hope on Wally Pankratz car.
Just FYI Ruby's Atlanta has opening in the nose at Indy 1972. :)
So where was the picture taken Trenton? I was there when it qualified and I didn't see one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenixent
So take a car that is a 190MPH and increase the weight, make it plow through the air instead of cut and make it more expensive, to go 180. Glad I didn't see that when it occurred.
Foyt had a areo devise in the nose of the car, that is why he had it covered everytime in the pits. Actually Howard Gilbert came up with that in 1975.
Nope, Larry Cannon had the last nose breather in the race and the V-12 Voekler engine never made it into 1972 Antares or any other car. F-1 rules differed than rules here.
I got three calls saying it was an Atlanta and the FOYT ENGING GIVES IT AWAY but it is a Tipke Offy.
Hey, two of them worked for Gene White what would they know.
Move one.
is this the Coyote you think it is - the one with the Eagle bulkheads??