Name that Car 2

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Put it this way, the photos and captions are from people who were well aquainted with both Sneva and Tipke.
It is kind of like telling the Pope he is not a Catholic.

I will give the source later.
Bob

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Explain why the raced on April 7th as 39, came here as 41 and go back to Indy as 39.

No doubt that Tipke may have rented or borrowed the car but that is not the same car. Bigger side pods and lower nose profile and a wide engine compartment for the Foyt engine.

If I was near my files, I could too find out more info.

I am going to run these through a photo editor and send them to experts I know.
I have been trying to find the Lloyd Ruby Atlanta for 30 years and this just maybe the last known shots of it.

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Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!

I have been trying to find the Lloyd Ruby Atlanta for 30 years and this just maybe the last known shots of it.

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The photo is the Tipke look at the roll bar also the Tipke was run in another class and then converted to USAC standards that is why it has 41 on it.
I have been down this road before. :rolleyes:


Here is Lloyd Ruby's Atlanta
http://shutter11.pictures.aol.com/da...vgGqvv0258.jpg

Phoenix:
While trying to find early info on the Tipke Indy car, searches uncoved that Wally drove more than one version of his car, same builder, not unknown to western states.
Bob

ahh the Tipke - if I recall correctly, the last time this car came up we had a very similar debate and even caused quite a stir on the autosport message board (due, I believe, to my insistence that it was not the Tipke but rather something that Grant King had done - I was wrong...).

Nice set of photos Bob - so what about the #71 is that a Tipke "sprint" car???

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Originally Posted by Phoenixent

The photo is the Tipke look at the roll bar also the Tipke was run in another class and then converted to USAC standards that is why it has 41 on it.
I have been down this road before. :rolleyes:


Here is Lloyd Ruby's Atlanta
http://shutter11.pictures.aol.com/da...vgGqvv0258.jpg

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I have this picture and look at the first shot. I am looking for where the car went after Gene White.
Talked to a person this AM and he said it was sold to a person in the Northwest in January of 1973 but never was raced.
He is going to do more digging.
Look carefully you will see these two pictures as one in the same. The TIPKE CAR IS A NOSE BREATHER and this is NOT.

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Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!

I have this picture and look at the first shot. I am looking for where the car went after Gene White.
Talked to a person this AM and he said it was sold to a person in the Northwest in January of 1973 but never was raced.
He is going to do more digging.
Look carefully you will see these two pictures as one in the same. The TIPKE CAR IS A NOSE BREATHER and this is NOT.

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WALDO I am wondering if you can see the trees thru the woods. In 1972 Penske modified the nose on one of the McLaren's to a nose breather as you so call it at Ontario. Changing the nose on a car in the early 70's happened all the time.

You are flogging a dead horse on this one it's a TIPKE. It's time to move on.

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Originally Posted by Phoenixent

WALDO I am wondering if you can see the trees thru the woods. In 1972 Penske modified the nose on one of the McLaren's to a nose breather as you so call it at Ontario. Changing the nose on a car in the early 70's happened all the time.

You are flogging a dead horse on this one it's a TIPKE. It's time to move on.

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Got a picture? It has to do with plumbing. You need the plumbing for the radiator and the side pods in these cars were RADIATORS.

It may be but not according to my sources that were around at the time as I was.
The only car at Ontario for Penske in 1972 was Mike Hiss in Donohue's 500 winning McLaren. Many times at Phoenix and Ontario a BLACK STRIP was placed on the NOSE to stop PITTING from SAND. This rapidly changed the handling of the car.
The Black in that picture is that.

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Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!

Got a picture? It has to do with plumbing. You need the plumbing for the radiator and the side pods in these cars were RADIATORS.

It may be but not according to my sources that were around at the time as I was.
The only car at Ontario for Penske in 1972 was Mike Hiss in Donohue's 500 winning McLaren. Many times at Phoenix and Ontario a BLACK STRIP was placed on the NOSE to stop PITTING from SAND. This rapidly changed the handling of the car.
The Black in that picture is that.

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Plumbing can be rerouted as for the photo that is your burden of proof. I was at Ontario from 1970 to 1973 with my father and we looked at those cars from pit row side of the track. The mod was still on that McLaren when Jim Hurtubise drove it in 1974. Go look for it.

Jim Hurtubise's McLaren in 1974



FYI :s mokin:

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Originally Posted by Phoenixent

Plumbing can be rerouted as for the photo that is your burden of proof. I was at Ontario from 1970 to 1973 with my father and we looked at those cars from pit row side of the track. The mod was still on that McLaren when Jim Hurtubise drove it in 1974. Go look for it.

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I have and it wasn't. Why would a team convert the most perfect car to an obsolete set up?

Only one nose breather in 1974 at Indy was Larry Cannon. Again they put a teflon black strip on the nose to avoid pitting.

Here is the history of nose breathers from 1972 on.

Donohue in 1972: 191.400

Fastest Noses Breathers
1972
Mosley 189.140
Rutherford 183.230
McCluskey 182.680
Snider 181.800
Savage 181.720
Kenyon 181.380
Hurtubise 181.050 (1971 Coyote)
Walther 180.540
Williams 180.460 (1966 Eagle)
Martin 179.610
Kunzman 179.260
Caruthers 178.900

Fastest Noses Breathers
1973
NONE

Fastest Noses Breathers
1974
Cannon 173.960