Good race from Alonso :up: Red Bulls still untouchable though :(
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Good race from Alonso :up: Red Bulls still untouchable though :(
Let me spell it out for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
1. You blamed Massa's poor result entirely on Ferrari's pitstop mistakes
2. I responded that Massa contributed to his result by running off the road in turn 8 and not keeping his foot on the brake at the second bad pitstop
3. You refused to accept that Massa had any role in his poor result and continued to place the blame entirely on Ferrari, going so far as to claim that Massa running off the road was Ferrari's fault
Forgive me but I fail to see how I'm comparing apples and bananas here. Were talking about the reasons Massa had a poor result. Those reasons lie with both the team and the driver.
I like Massa and while he drives for Ferrari I want to see him succeed because that means Ferrari succeed. I'm a Ferrari fan first-and-foremost and I make no apologies for that. Drivers come second and always will.
Oh, and getting back to what Massa should have done after Ferrari messed up his first stop and let Hamilton through - he should have done exactly what Hamilton did when McLaren made an even bigger mess of his stop. Put his head down try and make the best of the situation. Instead Massa made an error that made his situation worse. That's not a criticism of Massa's effort as I'm sure he was trying. It's merely an observation that Massa contributed to his poor result with an unforced error.
Or 'stinky wee poo's'! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
You clearly did not read the sign:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
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Originally Posted by ioan
What a shame the old forum is gone, thereby denying us the pleasure of re-posting some of ioan's Ferrari-related posts from but three short years ago. Reading his contributions on the subject now reminds me of the way past Soviet leaders were simply airbrushed out of history.
When I was a schoolboy far back in the past, when Ascari left Scuderia Ferrari for Lancia, my loyalty shifted with him. For reasons that have nothing to do with anything but everything, I was already someone who leaned towards the Officine Alfieri Maserati team. That Scuderia Ferrari tanked during the 1954/55 seasons -- managing two very fortunate wins due more to drivers using their heads than the machines they were driving, did not do much to create much support for the team. Not that I ever disliked Ferrari, simply that I liked Maserati more. Indeed, in my one meeting with Enzo Ferrari during the practice sessions prior to the 1959 Gran Premio d'Italia, he was a very delightful man to talk to, very pleasant actually, taking the time to pay attention to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
While never a great "fan" of Ferrari during the years I paid attention to the contemporary Grand Prix racing scene, likewise, I never wished it any ill. That thought simply never crossed my mind. However, the Ferrari organization that I grew up with is long gone. Whatever its flaws, foibles, and folllies it had a distinct, unique character. People forget that the team actually did came close to closing its doors a time or time, occasions when it as not Ferrari being a "drama queen" and sulking in his office over some offense, real or imagined. It is easy to forget that in the mid-Fifties that Scuderia Ferrari was often skating on thin ice financially, a reality although OMF exaggerated that by several factors to lure Fiat to provide a stipend to support the Italian effort, something that did not happen when Maserati hit its financial woes not long afterward.
Today's team is, literally, simply an entity bearing the name "Ferrari" and scarcely resembles the old Scuderia with all its, well, "character." The current team is as bloodless and sterile as the corporate entity it represents. It is difficult to get very enthused or warm up to such a team. Plus, the team's hyping itself being the "heart of Formula 1" is a bit much. It makes me want to retch at times when I read such nonsense. Of course, the same can be said for Formula 1 in general, but that is another story for another time.
Thus, it is always both a source of amusement as well as one of discouragement to me to see such warnings as cited above. Just a few skims and I was cured of reading any further.
Indeed, but bless you for drawing our attention to the now hilarious remark in question once again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Capps
I can't believe this thread is still open.
I can't agree with your assertion that Ferrari are "bloodless and sterile". Sure they have changed and are a very different team than they were 50 years ago but if they hadn't changed they wouldn't be here today. They had to change to survive but the team and it's supporters are anything but sterile. McLaren are sterile and corporate which is something that Ron Dennis cultivated but Ferrari? No chance! In fact their lack or corpoarte 'sterile-ness' stoppped them from succeeding for two decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Capps
As to whether they are the " heart of Formula 1", well that's a matter of opinion but if there's one team in F1 who could clain such a mantle it's surely Ferrari.
I think you will find that was knee jerk headless chicken syndrome. Until LDM came along and hired JT, they were in a mess. A bit like the England football team, if they don't win we change the manager so there is never any lasting continuity. Doesn't help that the majority of the players are also thick ****'s mind you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon