Yes. Until 1996 it was 500 km, then in 1997 to 400 km and now to 350 km.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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Yes. Until 1996 it was 500 km, then in 1997 to 400 km and now to 350 km.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Manu points introduced for PS this year are meant to further improve the already pretty good situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
That's why i mentioned 2013. They could do it then, so service is no acceptable excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by sti123
It is in fact a 2 day rally, streched out much longer for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Basically 1 day of local rallying and 3 days of short rallysprints. For a world class event thats pretty ridiculous.
A short day on sunday before the power stage i can understand, but all other days should have at least 100km's of stages.
I would say a typical rally has 140 km on Friday and Saturday, and 40 km on Sunday. That makes 320 km.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
You must remember that in the COVID-19 era, with the tight budgets and with spectators limited or prohibited, they are running shorter itineraries for the time being where Friday is only a short day.
You keep saying that it's stupid to stretch a short itinerary for four days, but at the same time keep raving at Monte 2013. Look closer at the itinerary. The rally ran from Wednesday to Saturday, but all the days were only half long. Wednesday to Friday they started at 9 and ended at 15 or 17, while Saturday was run from 15 to 21 (with a 23 hour break in between SS13 and SS14). And Friday was silly with only three stages and a long liaison.
https://www.rally-maps.com/Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2013
Mid 1980's Monte not that far off 900 stage kilometres... Sorry Antti, couldn't help it, I know, very different world in those days.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Yeah, but it's only fair because the drivers only included 7-8 rallies in their championship programs, now they do 14 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NickRally
And if you go 35 years more back, you have 0 km of special stages :)
Kristian Sohlberg (former WRC driver, current rally coach) has started interviewing rally people on his twitch channel. This week he had Esapekka Lappi as a guest. The interview was very candid and informal with Esapekka lying comfortably on a couch, using even swear words in his talk, in a different way than speaking to media normally.
Some of the things he said:
- Skoda was not a nice team to be in. They were mad if someone had a crash and the bosses were very "hot-headed" always. He would never return to Skoda.
- Lappi liked Mäkinen as a team boss because he understands drivers, albeit his views based on his own driving days were sometimes outdated
- His all-time favourite teammate is JML
- His favourite foreign teammate is Ogier, very fair and open about everything.
- He didn't like Tänak as a teammate who was the opposite of Ogier, not fair and not sharing things
- Tänak also was the first to get new parts and updates in 2018 (just like Ogier was at M-Sport).
- He went to Citroen because he thought he would be their driver no1 instead of being driver no3 at Toyota. The offer was made in June 2018, he hesitated at first but then saw Östberg finish second in Finland and was convinced.
- He had problems with Citroen's front diff ramp which made the wheels lock under braking, causing understeer. However, this fit Ogier's style so the car was developed even further in this direction, forcing Lappi to adjust his driving style (and crash).
- In the summer of 2019 someone at Citroen "found" their first homologated front diff ramp from 2016, saying "no one ever got this working", but it fit perfectly Lappi's driving style, and the speed was back.
- He says he hasn't pushed as much ever in a rally as Finland 2019 or Sweden 2020. Compared to them, Finland 2017 which he won was just "pumping"
- He says that in "village teams" like Toyota and M-Sport you can just develop a new part and try it on, but in big factory teams like Citroen and Skoda, it takes months for the boards to agree on the plan before they can start making anything.
- He believes the C3 WRC with 2020 updates would have been a winner car in Rally Finland with the new aero and engine (which they didn't even get to test). In the autumn 2020 tests they were 0.5 s/km faster than the previous tests on the first run already.
- He liked Budar as a team boss because Budar understood the difficulties of drivers and always asked how they can help the driver improve.
However, my feeling is that he deliberately didn't speak anything bad about Toyota because he possibly aims to get a seat there one day...
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/908558664
hmmm, Tänak part is very interesting....
what i mean is that in "Tänak The Movie - The series" they both say they get along really well, just watched that episode yesterday and they got along really well. Ott says that he gets best along with Ogier and Lappi in the series but okay that was back in 2018 and maybe later than everythig changed
There Lappi also says in the beginning that JML is his favourite, but later admitted that Tänak is on the same line or they even get along better as the season went on.
thanks for the interview! very good insights
Yes ... but then it was 3000km flat out, as road sections were just "impossible". Tour de Corse was 24hours non stop, full speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I know, i know, different times and as David Richards, who knows what he is talking about and can be "credited" with the cloverleaf / repeat stages format, said "people like to live in the past, but we have to look to the future" (or something like that ...)
Yeah but in the 50's there wasn't separate special stage and road section speed anyway and the cars were just road cars. It was just fast road sections all the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by djip
As for Tour de Corse, it's true that the road sections were crazy in the mid-70's and it's said the drivers made pace notes for the road sections as well! Acropolis is another rally where most drivers had road penalties because the target times were impossible. But that's a completely another topic. You can read more about TDC routes in my blog https://itgetsfasternow.com/2020/05/...tes-1973-1995/ BTW the first ever WRC Tour de Corse had only 500 km of special stages. It was only in the early-to-mid-80's that they had over 1000 km.
Heh I had to listen to this podcast and EP said "I still like Tänak but he wasn't as fair as Ogier. I can't demand the he shares his stuff that's his business but in contrary Ogier was very open minded"Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Anyway interesting podcast, really liked it bcs EP was really straightforward and relaxed.
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Charming, when they kind of gave him his break onto the world stage. There are always two sides to every story.. i seem to remember Mirek alluding to Lappi being quite difficult to work with or something along those lines?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
That doesn’t sound likely? For new cars or new programmes maybe, but new parts? Don’t buy it.Quote:
- He says that in "village teams" like Toyota and M-Sport you can just develop a new part and try it on, but in big factory teams like Citroen and Skoda, it takes months for the boards to agree on the plan before they can start making anything.
Interesting to hear his thoughts nonetheless.
First time I hear something like that. Note that during that time (2013-2014) Lappi actually did crash a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Wonder how he would work with Adamo at Hyundai, specially if he would do something like 2019 first rounds of the season.
Could be in Finland yes, but Ogier somehow wasn't convinced after the tarmac tests and went to Toyota instead. Guess aero and engine can only change so much if suspension/difs are a problem on tarmac.Quote:
- He believes the C3 WRC with 2020 updates would have been a winner car in Rally Finland with the new aero and engine (which they didn't even get to test). In the autumn 2020 tests they were 0.5 s/km faster than the previous tests on the first run already.
Clearly they were not meant to each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Even Kristian Sohlberg remembered one meeting with Skoda which he describes "unconventional" and anything he'd ever seen in his life. It wasn't only EP.
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Well Veiby got kicked quite rapidly for that picture a few years ago, which is hardly surprising though.
Maybe Skoda-leadership is or was (all of this is 2-6 years back) a lot about drivers being "employed". On the other hand the interaction between engineers and drivers and the response to driver suggestions seems to work rather well there. I can barely remember any drivers complaining about any setup or handling issues.
All this is completely external speculation from me.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-r...wrc-should-be/
An interesting article regarding the past of the WRC through the eyes of David Richards and Yves Matton.
Yes, well at the end of the day they get results however 'unconventional'Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Mikkelsen seems to be pretty happy to keep going back there.
No surprise DR changed his tune; it didn't turn out how he expected/ hoped - after what looked quite promising early on. And his 'deputy' at MSUK blames the DR inspired thinking for a lot of the problems in the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Lappi happy with test role with 2022 car for WRC return:
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...return/5392814
Hold on a minute, Mikkelsen car is not runned by Skoda anymore, but by Tocsport. AFAIK there is only 2 or 3 Skoda engineers there helping the team but maybe someone here knows more.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Not saying it wasn't true but that was likely with the old Motorsport department which was completely disbanded in 2006 and hence it's not related to any stories from 2008 an onwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
No, a meeting with Greensmith in Spain 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I propably missed a bit when watched it so late at night. But what was said to been the topic of that discussion? Hasnt Greensmith driven his whole career with Ford?
Drivers and their managers often negotiate with teams but it doesn’t always lead in a dealQuote:
Originally Posted by masa90
Yeah ofcourse. I guess I will watch that part later for the 2nd time. It is my native so should get it lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Chris Ingram has also expressed his disappointment with Škoda's attitude towards him after he won the 2019 ERC in a Fabia.
Yeah, Skoda must prefer fast drivers that won rallyes and stages!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Interestingly Lappi mentioned that Skoda wants their drivers always to finish the rallies without mistakes, and Ingram has proved he can do this successfully. But maybe Ingram didn't realize that Skoda ended all their direct factory support at the end of 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Do you suggest that they should have picked Ingram instead of Solberg to support in 2020?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
1 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ingdom.svg.png Chris Ingram 315+6 218+11 412+8 Ret 68+4 315+11 218+9 412+6 153 141
This is Ingrams scorechart from 2019, not a single rallywin.
Often works teams look only for speed potential, that you can smash the opposition on a sigle stage, or a full rally that suites you.
The rest is teachable, but natural speed is not.
Brutal, but mostly true!
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Of course I can only guess, but I don't believe Skoda paid all expenses of Solberg in 2020...maybe some reduced car rent/test session prices? Meanwhile, Ingram would have probably needed more support for his program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
And yeah, Solberg was (is?) pretty much the best choice as a media-loved person and a young talent for a team to support.
I didn't say they paid all his bills but they clearly supported him. They didn't support anyone else on international scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
not only that..Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
The Rally Germany will no longer take place in Saarland in the future. The ADAC Saarland, the responsible organizer of the international event for years, can no longer raise the budget. Officially, the World Cup run costs around two million euros. Most of the sum came from the ADAC headquarters in Munich. But the cost of organization has risen tremendously. Insider assumes a total of around 4- 5 million euros. Recently there was no agreement between Munich and Saarbrücken. The consequence: there will be no more WRC-round run with over 200,000 visitors annually between the Saar and Mosel. Also no more Panzerplatte...
Mads Østberg
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I`m back behind the mic for @OfficialWRC @RallyFinland
I promise you will see me behind the wheel of a rallycar soon, but for now I`m really pleased to be a part of the Live crew!
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"You asked for it, Mads Østberg has delivered! Back by popular demand on http://wrc.com"
Maybe Tidemand through Toksport?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Very sad news. The Mosel area is one of the most beautiful in central Europe. Will it move to another place in Germany?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacko
Not wanting to get into an argument but Ingram won the ERC with massive financial pressure after his main sponsor pulled out on the eve of the 2019 Season. He was going into more and more debt to compete and any crash damage would've ended his season. He then lost out on €100k prize by 0.3s in Barum and was forced to crowd-fund.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga
To drive flat-out in this financial position was impossible. He had to protect the car at all costs and finish events.
After all that he won the title (in a Škoda) and they still wouldnt give him any help.
here we go again...