New RedBull feature praising M-Sport 'giant-killers':
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/there...e-red-bulletin
Maybe they are going to be the big sponsor they have been looking for, and /or how they will keep Ogier ?
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New RedBull feature praising M-Sport 'giant-killers':
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/there...e-red-bulletin
Maybe they are going to be the big sponsor they have been looking for, and /or how they will keep Ogier ?
It's a sad situation when a rally winner is expected to pay to drive.
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Why the hell won't M-Sport pay a driver?Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Ask Wilson, I don't know for sure why. I think that money isn't a problem (they are probably cheap), besides he is building a secret testing track for car manufacturers, that's clearly he grow his business.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
But look it that way, he usually bring these youngsters and make them competitive and then works team grab them well prepared for attacking the rallies
The M-SPort WRT team is only a expense and a promotional thing. And for a company, big expenses are not good for making profit (to promote the R5 that could only run the WRC2 team). So they do not need to have best drivers. If they have someone paying the expenses then they are happy.
Ogier:
https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-i-was-d...me-elfyn-evansQuote:
yes, this sport still gives me strong emotion. Right now I have no announcement, maybe soon. I’m sure some of you here have made the right guess or the right bet, but I’m not 100 per cent sure, I’m still thinking and still analysing. There is one offer from my wife and she’s pushing pretty hard to keep me home, but I know I still need some adrenalin, let’s see.
So by the word of Neuville, Neuville will be there, rest of the guys will sharing cars maybe?
Seb could quit?
Evans is in M-Sport...
Neuville and Mikkelsen will have a full season at Hyundai, nothing confirmed for Paddon and Sordo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Seb just said above that he still wants to continue the sport.
Sordo and Paddon will surely be splitting time in the Hyundai with Sordo doing all the Tarmac events including Spain and Hayden gravel.
Sordo: Monte-Carlo, Tour De Corse, Germany, Spain (4 events)Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
Paddon: all of the rest (9 events)
You know that this is not fair...
There was a rumor about Sordo not driving in 2018 and probably going to rallycross.
and Paddon have huge support from Hyundai New Zealand and other sponsors...
any link about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Strong rumours are only about Hyundai and Marcus Gronholm involving, I didn't find anything about Sordo being there too. If they make a car surely seat is taken by his son Niclas Gronholm (now he drives fiesta).Quote:
Originally Posted by mArvAlcao17
I (one)bet that Østberg is frustrated with his season. Change of co-driver, change of team, skipped events, lots of technical problems where the M-Sport cars didn't have any. If he's offered a seat at M-Sport I don't think he will think twice. The downside of this is that it would take a WRC seat off some newcomer. Or maybe he could take his personal sponsor money to M-Sport for a four-car team? Probably also depends on Ogier's decision...
Nope, A. Grøndal said he heard it during the live broadcast of PowerStage.Quote:
Originally Posted by mArvAlcao17
I hope Mads doesn’t take one of the main seats at MSport but if he wants to pay for a fourth car that could be good for him, no more excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Ogier-Evans and Suninen in DMack sounds like a nice lineup to me.
Fuck suninen. I would go with Pontus. He is capable more than Suninen. If Suninen were that good he would not be sitting on third place. And with M-Sport team (sure he do 2 events in WRC car), but he isn't quite there yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Thats why he could benefit from DMack. Seems to be great for learning consistency and preserving but fast driving (as he already showed quite promising speed on his two outings). Would be nice to see Tidemand as well though.
Pontus need challenge. Most of the year he was just cruising because of mistakes other have doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Tidemand was great this year, but it's hard to say until we see him in a WRC2017 car. Suninen was already setting fastest times from the first day in the car and fought for the podium in Finland. Also, Suninen wasn't really focusing on his WRC season, he could have probably won Finland easily had he driven a WRC2 there. And then there's the Fabia vs Fiesta factor, but yeah...Tidemand was great this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Grow up! Everybody is entitled to have favorites but that’s no reason to insult other drivers. Suninen beat Tidemand fair and square last year in equal cars and this year, like AntiL mentioned, his head was more on the WRC deal than on the WRC2 fight. For sure Tidemand is also a great driver and deserves a chance on a WRC car, but after Finland no one should doubt that Suninen’s place is among the WRC elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Fuck you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Who ask you anything...Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Some idiot who wrote "fuck Suninen".Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Now you sound like an idiot... But don't worry you can't drag me to your level... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
its enough,stop it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
This year:Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Suninen 29 WRC points
Tidemand 4 WRC points
For me both reserve WRC seat and both are probably faster than some of drivers who are driving WRC17 machinery.
Everybody talking about their own country drivers. Finland now has many upcomers and WRDC material for the future. But what much more has Pontus to prove to get everybody happy? He does deserve a seat in 2017 no matter what happens to all others. (Finns, French, Irish, British or whatever)
Suninen prooved he is fast in Finland and Poland, fast dry smooth gravel roads. But what will he do in Mexico? Monte Carlo? Corsica? Wales?
He is among the top in his own country, but in other rallies it will be much more difficult to achieve the same results.
Tidemand and Suninen both deserve a full season in a WRC but have both still a lot to learn.
Some statistics over Tidemand & Suninen...
Suninen:
-Championships won: 0
-Rallies won: 5 (WRC2), 2 (WRC3)
-Podiums: 10 (WRC2), 2 (WRC3)
-Other: 1 won in Euro RX (Super1600), 2 podiums EuroRX (Super1600)
-Retires: 2
TIDEMAND:
-Championships won: 1 (JWRC), 1 (WRC2)
-Rallies won: 3 (JWRC), 8 (WRC2)
-Podiums: 1 (SWRC), 8 (JWRC), 17 (WRC2), overall podium (JWRC)
-Retires: 7
-Other: 1 podium EuroRX (Supercar), Overall Podium on EuroRX championship (Supercar)
btw Tidemand become most successful driver in WRC2 with most wins.
Sure Suninen have 2 events in WRC '17 car. And he show some speed there (but if he wouldn't pay for these drives then he wouldn't have it).
We will see who will have more backing and get into the DMACK car maybe...
No point to compare raw numbers without taking into account that Pontus is in WRC since 2012 (or was it 13?) while Suninen made his debut in a 4WD 2 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
In 2012 Tidemand race only one event in 4WD S2000 car (he finished on 3rd place)...Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
The rest 2012 & 2013 season he drove FWD Fiesta.
In 2014 he enter 3 events with r5 car (2 podiums, one 4th place).
Real season in 4WD car come in 2015 and forwards.
So that mean he have 4 rallies more experience in 4WD car than Teemu. Teemu have 2 in WRC '17, Pontus none.
Aren't that quite equal??
Talking about experience Suninen did 51 rally (according ewrc-results.com) while Tidemand 111 - thats twice. Also Tidemand did APRC with diferent roads and conditions. Is Tidemand better - I think so, Suninen still quite raw, but fast enough to do OK in WRC already. So gat is not that big, as ESTR trying to prove.
Watch your language kid...Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Best of all you are loud here, while everytime you comment on someone you insult people wit potato, how stupid everyone is and that everyone is a kids. And I don't mention how you insult Neuville wit potato comments... I just say you are probably some 35 old dude still living with parents. So shhh here!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Can´t we just agree that both Suninen and Tidemand deserve a shot in a World Rally Car? Maybe not a full season next year, but at least six or seven rounds?
I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Before Suninen made his first appearance with R5 Tidemand was already in the WRC2 and made other appearances with R5, and also drove a WRC in 2014 in Sweden.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Yes but discussion about who deserve more, if made properly without motherland glasses, can be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUF
As I already said, if I were a team principal I would go with Teemu over Pontus.
Yep, that’s actually the main point: there’s no need to undermine Suninen in order to praise Tidemand (or vice versa).Quote:
Originally Posted by JUF
Rally is the coolest motorsport form: drivers don’t compete directly against each others; they compete against the clock. It’s a much friendlier environment than circuit racing. We should act likewise and try to respect all top drivers, not just those we tend to prefer.