you should use a post-2004 pc then.Quote:
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you should use a post-2004 pc then.Quote:
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My PC only crashes when... Oh no, it doesn't.Quote:
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The potential for something very nice is definitely there, but they really need to fix some of the most basic stuff first.
In random order: things like stagetimes not popping up (or very late), putting the wrong driver name (albeit for a short while) when they are (finally) showing a car live on stage. Or the stupid interviews before the powerstage... Or the telemetry which in no case was ever in sync with the images... Jon Desborough.. (I've heard him say Hyundai hired Mikkelsen because they needed a second Neuville, and that was the reason Penasse said they didn't win the championship last year THREE times over the weekend)...
Then of course there are the issues of the regular live timing as well, which IMO is totally unacceptable.
It is a mystery to me as well why the championship standings are still not up on WRC.com
End of rant. Hopefully most of these basic things will be fixed by Sweden.
Potentially, it could be very good. However, I got the feeling they've rushed it so that it's ready for the start of the Monte. When you're offering a paid 'premium' service, it simply HAS to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Live stages are nothing new; it's 7 years since we had all but one stage of the Monte live on TV....with the technology now available, they need to be offering a lot more.
As an aside, I do think they need to offer more 'free to air' content; one free live stage on RedBullTV isn't enough. If you want to attract more followers, then currently what they offer ain't enough. It's a competitive market out, and lots of series provide free streaming....
http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/c95f...05c499f837.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Mixed effort for WRC+ All Live in their first rally.
Thurs night was poor but there were mitigating circumstances with the weather so no heli shots and lots of picture drop outs.
Fri and Sat were a lot better with some excellent stage coverage and good interviews.
Sunday was good but a shame having to go back to the normal tv comms (& JD) for two stages.
Considering the difficult terrain in the mountains, and it was their first time, I think it's great! Will only become better from here. Well worth the (small) extra cost over the normal WRC+.
Fair enough, that explains it.Quote:
Originally Posted by A FONDO
ok, so I should buy every 2 years 1500Euros TV. Sounds fair, no problem with money!Quote:
Originally Posted by A FONDO
why you need to buy a new tv every year? haven't you heard of software updates ?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarriK
Argentina is gonna be a problem for the crew.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
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all updates done, tv software and browser also. WRC crew answered that they know this problem and try to resolve it soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
With phone and laptop all works so I survive now :)
Why? No steep mountains there and nearly no trees so should be good, Corsica is more like MC.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
The Sierras are very very remote. When I went last year, to check the results of the stage you were at you either needed a radio or you'd find out who was leading back at your hotel. Also, I remember hearing that Colin's satellite phone wasn't working. Reception is unheard of and wifi is hard to come by.Quote:
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They said they have a dedicated plane which provides connection for the TV transmission from the cars and the helicopter so it doesn't matter where they are. So I think a bigger problem is interference from weather, buildings or trees.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
AndroidTV OS tv-s are overpriced. With a box(mibox, shield etc) you can turn every "dumb tv" to smart tv.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarriK
Amazon Fire TV Stick turns every TV with HDMI port into a smart TV and costs 39 Euros.Quote:
Originally Posted by salamaja
The stream on the WRC App for Fire TV worked 4 days without any error.
All your remarks (and those of Eigthgear) make total sense, but somehow we should be inspired by Revman enthusiasm; there’s no doubt WRC is in great shape and All Live is a major advance. They both can be improved, but they’ll never be perfect, so let’s enjoy them the most we can!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Overall "all live" looks promising and i think i will keep my subscription after the free trial ends. I would like to point out one (IMHO) big problem, which was present in all live stages and powerstages in recent years, and was still present on Monte. During the live stage i want to visualy follow interesting drivers, who are in some kind of fight for position or they need to attack from any other reason. That way i, as a spectator, am witnessing the drama of brilliant drive or possible mistake. Instaead of this i am now for 70% of the stage following first car on the road, which on the 2nd and 3rd day of the rally is almost surely someone who had problems and is out of contention or some gentleman driver. Try to remember how long we watched Khalid Al Qassimi on Live TV stages last year (nothing against him, but his driving really is not spectacular enough nor important for the "story" of the Rally). We were lucky to have Breen on Monte in this position, who was at least interesting to watch, but he was not important person for the rally. I can imagine, it is technicaly easiest way to follow first driver on the stage all the way to the finish and then cath every next car on last few kms of the stage. but this scheme will be much more problematic when we are All Live. In recent years we were happy to see any few kms live and it was not as important who we watch. But now when we can follow all stages and the story, it will soon become really dull and frustrating to watch mostly cars which are out of contention. Otherwise thanks to everybody involved. Good job done. I am sure they know that it is not finished and there is a lot to improve.
Well said @kubiczech.
Hopefully in time we will have multi-screen access (like F1 has) and we can choose how and who to watch. Also an audio option for Pure Sound must come.
I think kubiczech has hit the nail on the head there about what has been missing from the live WRC coverage for years actually. This is something Eurosport did really well with the live IRC coverage. They don’t even seem to make much use of splits on the live WRC stuff.
This is a very good point, they kind of show cars randomly instead of directing and showing the interesting parts. It's like if F1 showed the driver in P5 going around alone instead of showing overtaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by kubiczech
In WRC+ case it seems like there is much bigger role on IT team doing this stuff and clearly (as in most big IT projects) things will be delayed and testing will take long time.
Also, I imagine the server loads, the signals between different devices and location characteristics will be a great challenge.
Though wrc is financially not that strong to provide free stuff I still would like to see some live feed from their YouTube channel.
This would amp up yt subscriptions and probably would get more people involved.
Agree. There need to be more 'free live content'. The one Saturday stage on RedBullTV is nice, but not nearly enough.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Suusameister
I wrote it somewhere here few days ago. Same like kubiczech wrote, one of the biggest problem of live coverage on WRC (also last years powerstages, but it was same this year) is that they are absolutely missing what is happening on that stage. They can say results after previous stage, make lot of commentars regarding the situation of the rally, but they are not adapt to what is actually doing on the rally. If anything happened on the stage, they usually dont know about it (despite in results it is written, on twitter/facebook there are informations and pictures). They are not focusing on the real battles on the stages, dont following interesting drivers. There were lot of talks about "stupid" rotating stage map, about pre-recorded interviews showed during the stage, lot of camera watches to the crews during stage end interviews, where only voice is important and video should be taking care other crews. I also dont like so many and so long camera shots on the starts of stages. For first car yes, but for others I prefer to see action on stage, not watching standing car on start line. Also director doesnt know what is happening and is not able to adapt to the situation. One great example was that "famous" left corner after long straight, where lot of crews went out to the field. Since first cars (and also after first loop) you know that this is important place, where lot of drivers are making mistakes. So why not to switch to every car, when it is close to this place? I think it will be interesting to watch this important places more than following cars somewhere else. Same with second Turini slippery place, where Bouffier went off. Thanks god this time they showed problems of others mainly from record, but why not LIVE when the cars are approaching that place? Or another example - first stage on Saturday. From splits you can see that Sordo is flying on that stage. So why not switch to his onboard to see his speed and how he handle with that fast speed?
Now that we have all stages live onboards it would be great if they implemented what canal+ did in Alsace 2014 with live virtual timings so we can see where drivers are gaining or losing time. It's a bit blind now with those sparse splits.
https://youtu.be/9w2s30Y_UlI
PLuto, I know exactly what you mean and it's one thing that has annoyed me also for quite a long time. The PIP function (smaller picture in the corner) should be relatively easy to use. But there's one thing that I guess they've overlooked themselves. You need people to look at all the feeds. One person can't do it, not even two, in my opinion. I could bring a personal experience from a studio production, but think it won't be much point. But I've heard that on crosscountry skiing and most likely also on biathlon events, there are people like spotters before the camera zones informing the directing crew that certain athlete is approaching.
If they could figure out how to fix that thing, I think it could be much better.
But yeah, the whole start procedure showing is pointless. Even more as a replay. Another place for a PIP.
But if they manage to improve the response to action by actually showing it live, reacting to what's happening and add timing (splits) graphics to the broadcast ... I guess wives and girlfriends will start hating WRC or they'll get plenty of free weekends, where the other half is glued to the screens viewing WRC.
There is some limitations how they get the feed. They can't see all cars all the time. Sometimes none like we saw in Monte. Cars need to be at range to receive video. Link plane obviously has some pre-planned route. Don't know about copters probably them too. "Let's fly to the action place and skip all the stage interviews" sounds like a dream but it would be hard to change program plan completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
In this video you can see the link plane on the map and feeds they are receiving.
https://twitter.com/nepfinland/statu...05091864424448
Those after stage interviews are the worst. Usually there is nothing to ask or say and taking the helmet off takes longer than the actual interview. These should be PiP or just voice like said earlier.
The only problem with the RedBullTV coverage is that nobody beyond the hardcore know it's there, and us hardcore are now paying to watch on WRC+ instead. I understand Red Bull wanting to push their own media channel, but given the effort that goes into that quality broadcast, it's a shame for the WRC that it isn't broadcast somewhere else. Either live on the WRC's You Tube/Facebook, or ideally refocused towards one domestic market and broadcaster on a mainstream channel so it can attract the greatest possible mainstream audience. I don't imagine they're making any/much money off this coverage anyway, so imagine if it were possible to approach something like the BBC here, tell them they can broadcast it for free and just repackage/graphic it like BBC Sport coverage (like how a lot of 'BBC Sport' coverage is actually produced by outside companies). Mainstream coverage, even if paid for by the WRC, gets the product out there and having a major broadcaster seemingly being involved gives the sport mainstream legitimacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I'm not saying all the pieces would fall into place and make this possible, but I'd be pushing hard in that direction if I were them. I'm thinking of the BBC's coverage of and deal with the NFL as a model here, which must be based on similar theory.
Great idea. I know some people weren't a fan of 'virtual spectator' back in the ISC/North One days, but I liked it. At the moment though I think they should just focus on getting the splits to work and be displayed reliably! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by latek
Actually, if someone is intersted, then NEP, the company producing all the content, has got quite a few pics and videos from behind the scenes on their Twitter feed - https://twitter.com/nepfinland
Thanks for sharing the link lnvs.
I wanted to apologise for the overall poor interventions and terrible english of my fellow country men Eric Camilli and Stephane Peterhansel during the power stage on RedBull TV. Sincere apologise.
Power Stage on red bull tv?Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
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Recap of day 3Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
I have regular WRC+ account and would like to upgrade to ALL LIVE.
So I log in, choose "Upgrade now", choose the annual plan, click next and then all I get is the rotating wheel (loading) and nothing happends. Tried two computers, different browsers (Firefox and IE), updated flash etc... anyone know what to do?
Could try the App.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoN_cz
On the phone you mean? If i try to do that, it tells me "You already got an active subscription on a different platform (website), manage your subsriptions there."
People who originally subscribed using iTunes or Google Play have had to use iTunes or Google Play to do their upgrade. If that does not help try checking the FAQ page https://plus.wrc.com/en/support/faq/Quote:
Originally Posted by DoN_cz
Hmmm, nope - the subscription was done using web browser. Just had it tried on 3rd computer and it doesn't work there either. Really seems like a bug on their side. Tried contacting the support, but no answer yet.
EDIT: actually - if i go to "developer mode" and find the line of code that overlays the original site with the "loading screen" - I can disable that piece of code and then it reveals the form to fill out the credit card details..... but this does not seem like a correct way to do it :)
Don't get your hopes high for a quick response. Took them 2 weeks to get a reply for my ticket and it was totally useless =)Quote:
Originally Posted by DoN_cz