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Yes, it is. But so is speed. When you cut tyres, you improve their ability to stay in contact with the road surface and when you do that, driver can go faster. By going faster, the tyre again exceeds it's water removal capability and you end up aquaplaning. Cut tyre is only safer if driver doesn't go quicker (and when have you seen that happen) or, when you encounter unexpected amount of water on otherwise drier section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Regarding wet sections the only way to increase safety is by cancelling them. That's why that-not-named-sport-on-circuit introduces safety car when it's too wet.
That's a double edged sword. In one hand, leveling is against the spirit of competition. The very aim of competing is to be the best. On the other hand, if advantages are not kept reined in to a degree, we get dominating drivers, teams or tyres which deflates the interest on the sport. Either way, it's not ideal.Quote:
Regarding leveling of performance - I has never liked that and with more tyre manufacturers allowed again it has no meaning at all.
Guy Frequelin is commentating on Canal + and he also is criticising FIA for universal dry/wet pattern and not allowing to make proper wet tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Shame that Thierry had puncture yesterday, he is the only one who can fight today with Ogier. Sorry, not only today, he is our hope for a next year :)
Hirvonen almost won a stage :crazy:
No, it's not entirely true. A tyre with proper rain pattern or hand cut is much more predictable on wet than a tyre without proper pattern. The best drivers always find a way to cope with that but for the majority it is dangerous solution. They don't have a chance to test hundreds of kilometers in all conditions etc. Rallying is not about ten people, especially when the rule is now forced for all regional events.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
Now let alone new rules and have a look how it always worked before. For example when it was just raining but not heavily the top drivers opted for cut slicks because it was fastest solution but the far majority took wet tyres because it was safe. Slicks on wet are very difficult to handle. It's not just that You drive slower and things are solved. Now there are no wet tyres at all and moreover the cutting was forbidden so not only one but two safety measures were lost.
I spoke with many drivers about that and I haven't found a single one who would support the recent rules. It's exactly opposite. Here in CZ it came so far that for the first time we are going to use national rules different from FIA only because of that. Recently Czech ASN and koda Motorsport agreed to try to push to change this rules again. Even for them it's completely stupid. Even in FIA many people understand that it's wrong.
From which stage?Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
Mistake. Can't delete posts anymore?
That is true and but wasn't my point. Tyre cutting was used not only in wet tarmac, but on gravel too (and to a much greater extent). I think it's better to allow a proper wet pattern tyre than to allow hand cutting. I seem to recollect that hand cutting was mainly abolished "in the interest of costs", as many things were in those days. So was control tyre and with if fewer tread patters and compounds as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Where you're absolutely correct is the non-works drivers, who don't have skill or experience to cope with. But then again, do they (or their team) have experience to cut tyres effectively? Also, it adds to their financial burden so I say again, it's better to have proper tyre from tyre manufacturer (same for all competitors) than to allow hand cutting.
This is even more pointed issue on regional events, as you pointed out.
This is not the only rule many both inside FIA as well outside it think is wrong.Quote:
Even in FIA many people understand that it's wrong.
Judging from the footage from yesterday, I'd guess SS11 where he went only so innocently wide before puncturing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I was referring to the hand cutting as an option in the situation when there is only a single pattern tyre (and I actually meant only asphalt events). I do agree that a proper rain tyre is a better solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
Thanks, I though so.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
Loeb out.
When he joined this rally i really enjoined watching again and following live timing. No i can make other sunday plans.
Cya.
SS18 about to start ;)
In reverse order?
seems like that, no idea whyQuote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
http://www.sport-team.org/site/chaine11.html
Ostberg lost a minute, Hirvonen will pas him.
They've drank too much red wine and forgot that power stage has already been run...
Östberg :mark:
Very anticlimatic end from every point of view...
The nightmare is over... the healing may begin... it will take some time though.
JML gave up the fight or was ordered to just finish.
Sordo fighting back ! :D
Too late I think. 10 seconds - about 14kmQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Yes, but in these conditions it only takes a slight mistake and Sordo to go flat out...
But I hope Ogier wins now as the new World Champion.
VW near to get max points.
Christian Riedemann really fast on that SS18(compared to Quentin Gilbert leader WRC3) :eek:
The reverse order was. A piece of stage management to ensure a triumphal progress to Hageunau - unfortunately no one sent Ogier the script!
:bounce: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt-BZk4zikY :bounce:
LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
SS19 penultimate stage running ;)
Despite nothing to win anymore, Kubica still attacking :D
Who are those? Police? Gendarmerie? Private security?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
gendarmerie i think.
Neuville keeps fighting too ;)