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tbh allowing manufacturers or networks to force their own software onto users was never a good idea. One of the best plans Apple had was to stop carriers from doing that and give users a consistent experience. I remember when the iPhone was first launched and commetators were saying it would never be successful as they wouldn't allow carriers to install their bloatware on there.
Can't disagree with that. The only thing which 3 have put on my phone is their little app which enables me to look at billing and so on. I'm free to delete it if I like :) I also like the fact that unlike my N95, I've had all the updates so far that Microsoft have offered for the phone :) I had to debrand (effectively you tell your phone that it's not from any particular carrier) my N95 to get updates for it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Consistency, consistency and more consistency :)
Demonlion Chica was looking for a new QWERTY phone and wanted recommendations. So I said to look at the Dell Venue. The link I sent her said it was available on T Mobile. Great you'd think! So she checks the site and it's not on there. So I went to the Microsoft site http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphon.../7/phones.aspx and it seems it's only available from Dell directly.
Now call me silly, but if Microsoft (or Dell for that matter) want to sell these things then they should be on the carriers site and also available instore. Now as I'm not in the US I'm assuming it's not available instore and although i could be wrong I suspect I'm not.
Facepalm, only the iPhone has such a draw that it could be an online only sale item...... Microsoft should be forcing Dell to sell their product in their carrier's stores or telling them to GTFO.....
Which of course it isn't, Apple aren't *that* daft!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
But that's up to Dell? If they want to cripple their business model that's up to them?!Quote:
Microsoft should be forcing Dell to sell their product in their carrier's stores or telling them to GTFO.....
Going to get the Samsung Galaxy tab next week. I was hoping that the smaller version will also be upgraded/upgradeable to Honeycomb but it doesn't look like it. :\
Anyway it looks and feel like a great mobile device and has the right size too.
Got a Galaxy Tab a few months back, very happy with it. Has plenty of great features. Can even use it as a good sized rally tripmeter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Ray
I should have gone short! While walking around Best Buy the other week, an associate there told me they weren't selling the PlayDead... I mean, PlayBook. Now I see that analysts have cut their sales forecasts for it by 23%? Why didn't I short this thing???!!! An "easy" $4.50/share in two weeks!!! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
RIMM Intraday Low on June 3: $38.53
52 week low: $38.53
Close: $38.96
As for Nokia, is Nokia going to survive? Will Microsoft come to the rescue (with its checkbook) if things get any worse? Or will the company just be broken up and sold in pieces, as some large investors and analyst suggest? The stock has also fallen out of bed again, and is trading at/near its (new) 52 week low.
The tech world is starting to develop some really interesting news stories!
I think you're looking very short term. Tried a Windows Phone 7 yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Nope, I'm still the proud owner of a 2003 Motorola v60 flip phone. Unless it finally dies, I plan on keeping it for at least another year. I'm a nostalgic old schooler. :bounce: The iPod Touch allows me to do anything else I might want to do - and I don't have to pay for monthly service with it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Short term or long term, Nokia and RIM are down hard. So is Microsoft, which has been dead money for about ten years now - it's around a new 52 week low too. Microsoft may find its way. But Nokia better get itself together soon or it risks a shareholder demand for breakup. RIM isn't in as bad a shape as Nokia, but what I've been saying is happening. They need the PlayBook to be successful, as it leads to the next phone platform. And thus far, the market has largely rejected it. Not good at all.
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Originally Posted by Daniel
Well then, not to be funny but slagging off Nokia without checking out their silver bullet is a bit dumb non?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
That's like someone who's never driven or heard of a Subaru saying they're crap ;)
You should have a look at the coverage of the Mango update for Windows Phone 7, it takes the Windows Phone 7 more or less up to a level pegging with Android and iOS. Just remember that a good deal of the stuff they're talking about is built in and not a third party app.
Have you tried one tOdy? I guess you prefer closed source Google stuff :DQuote:
Originally Posted by odykas
Welcome to Android | Android Open SourceQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
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Do some reading, Android is nowhere near as open as they want you to think ;)
You're confusing a product with the fortunes of the company. One does not necessarily have anything to do with the other. The Ford Edsel was said to be a great and innovative car in its time. But it was a disaster in the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I would, but I don't think Mango will run on my iPod Touch. :DQuote:
You should have a look at the coverage of the Mango update for Windows Phone 7, it takes the Windows Phone 7 more or less up to a level pegging with Android and iOS. Just remember that a good deal of the stuff they're talking about is built in and not a third party app.
Don't get me wrong, Daniel. Mango might be a wonderful offering from Microsoft. But if we're talking about my own personal likes and desires, I have no real interest in it... or any other smartphone, for my own use. And from a company or stock perspective, I'll go long or go short, irrespective of whether I'm a fan of a product or company. I'll go long MSFT if I think the trade will make money for me. I'll go short AAPL if I think that will make money for me. I'm as emotionally detached as possible when it comes to investing.
As for Subaru, while I might like their cars (or did), it could still be a crap or poorly run company.Quote:
That's like someone who's never driven or heard of a Subaru saying they're crap ;)
I will download and compile the kernel for my mobile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
You should go back to Windoze where you belong :p :
Isn't the techo nerd geek conference were they normally unveil the new iPhone taking place this week?
It is indeed!
http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/
Just want to point out that a few of the things that Apple has debuted today were already being done by other companies :)
Ability to take photos without unlocking the phone with the click of a button, WP7 has done it since launch. Probably one of the most useful features WP7 offers :)
Apple iOS 5 adds instant camera access from lock screen and shutter release to volume-up button -- Engadget
Uploading your crap to the cloud, WP7 already did it :)
Syncing over WiFi, WP7 already did it.
OTA updates, Nokia has been doing this for years.
Now of course adding features is a good thing so you can hardly criticise Apple for it, but I just wanted to point out that in some ways WP7 is superior to iOS. Of course only an idiot would say that WP7 as it is at the moment is better than iOS but I think come Mango time the gap will be far smaller :)
Have a look at this and tell me that the Bing visual search isn't cool :) Jump to about 3:30 and I think the biggest iOS or Android fan will admit that it's a pretty cool feature.
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Apple is just marketing hype..... :|
Daniel, your post is completely and utterly predictable but I still cant quite understand why your trying to point out things that everyone knows already. Apple always take old things and throw magic fairy dust over them and magically a whole lot more people want them. I'm guessing most rival tablet manufacturers weren't complaining when tablets took off again after the launch of the ipad. Long live the magic fairy dust eh?. :p
Your post is somewhat akin to complaining about someone complaining about how hot it is when it's 40 degrees outside? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by GridGirl
Maybe so. I think I'm just bored of you trying to tell us that Apple are evil because they are not innovative. We all know they just glitz up old things you don't need to give is a blow by blow account of what they have sprinkled the fairy dust over. We have a good idea already. :p
For once we agree! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by odykas
And perhaps I'm tired of you telling what to say and what not to say?
Windoze products will be getting fairy dust in version 3.5.1 update 3. So there! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GridGirl
Surely Windoze cant have magic fairy dust as well. Say it isnt so. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Its quite interrsting that Apple have said you have all this stuff but not until Autumn though. Is it paving the way for a new or revamped iPhone with the new IOS later in the year?
But iOS 5 looks promising and I'm looking forward to it giving my iPhone a new lease of life. As good as iOS is at the things it does, there are some glaring omissions!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
And Nokia too, the camera always has a seperate button so hold it down and the camera app starts.Quote:
Ability to take photos without unlocking the phone with the click of a button, WP7 has done it since launch. Probably one of the most useful features WP7 offers
Apple iOS 5 adds instant camera access from lock screen and shutter release to volume-up button -- Engadget
As did many other phones.Quote:
Uploading your crap to the cloud, WP7 already did it :)
This is about flamin' time. They really did need to get away from the idea that you have a home computer and your phone must return to it on a regular basis. You should be able to just have a phone and nothing else! I can see major firmware updates needing to be done via a wire (as Nokia did). I wonder if they offer an OS upgrade service at Apple shops, and if they charge for it?Quote:
Syncing over WiFi, WP7 already did it.
OTA updates, Nokia has been doing this for years.
Which makes little sense :p . Sure in some ways WP is better in other ways iOS is better, this is hardly a surprise?Quote:
Now of course adding features is a good thing so you can hardly criticise Apple for it, but I just wanted to point out that in some ways WP7 is superior to iOS. Of course only an idiot would say that WP7 as it is at the moment is better than iOS but I think come Mango time the gap will be far smaller :)
Sorry I can't do flash :laugh:Quote:
Have a look at this and tell me that the Bing visual search isn't cool :)
PS. iOS 5 does look look :D , considering it won't be out until "the fall" can we assume that the iPhone 5 won't be out until then either?
Updating without a computer should have been a feature from day one: an iPhone and especially an iPad should be considered stand-alone devices and it's monumentally stupid that they rely so heavily on iTunes. Software and OS updates should be performed OTA as a when required - I've just updated half a dozen Android apps with a couple of clicks.
Don't take this as an anti-Apple rant, they've shown that they can successfully shake up a market by making existing ideas user-friendly, but this update just seems to show them playing catch up once again in a market they previously dominated.
As for The Cloud, I can see some uses: for example my calendar and email are up there somewhere and sync effortlessly to my phone and computers; as do contacts, navigation points and some small documents. But what all of these have in common are small file size which I can easily duplicate on my devices.
What I don't think will ever take off is having your media stored in the cloud, mainly because connectivity cannot be guaranteed - especially on the move. I can store thousands of hours of music on a portable device which won't suffer if I'm in a tunnel, out in the sticks, or hit my network's arbitrary usage cap.
I haven't read anything about the iCloud but did have a look at the Amazon one when it launched in the US. To me it will be incrediably useful, I use a laptop at work that I don't like to clog with my own stuff (maybe a few photos but very limited music). Something that can easily let me store music online means that the Spotify premium account I was considering just isn't needed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
However as it's Apple no doubt it will turn out to be extremely limited and they won't let anyone with MS software use it...and you'll only be able to use it on the 5th Tuesday of the month.....when you're wearing a hat at a jaunty angle.
You can update iPhone apps over the air. It's only the firmware that you have to use iTunes for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Fair do's, but the point still stands that if Apple are trying to promote the iPad as a successor to a home computer then it's crazy that their OS requires a connection to iTunes for any updates. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
The reliance on iTunes was the main reason (among several) why I opted for Android over iOS - I simply refuse to have it installed on any computer in the house!
True enough. Which is why it's being addressed, which is excellent. I certainly agree that, if I were to buy an iPad, *that* would be my home computer, I shouldn't have to have an additional device.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Having said that I've had my iPhone for about a year now, I think I've connected it to iTunes about 4 times in total. But iTunes should disappear IMO, all iOS devices should be completely standalone and never need to connect to a PC, ever. Which I think is what Apple is now aiming for - at long last.
Remember that although Nokia did so OTA updates the majority of the OS updates still required installing the Nokia Suite software on a PC. But they were crap with coming out with updates anyway so most people didn't bother upgrading the firmware. My wife bought a new phone rather than update the firmware on her Nokia!
Please don't remind me - even now I get nightmares and flashbacks to the afternoon I wasted trying to update a map on my E71. The Nokia Suite and the Ovi store were two of the biggest mistakes Nokia ever made and the primary reason why Symbian failed despite being a decent OS running on excellent hardware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Mark, do you ever back your phone up then seeing as you've only connected it to a PC around 4 times in a year? Actually do people using other operating systems feel the need to back up their phones?
Did Symbian fail? Possbily, but for many years it was at the cutting edge, sure it eventually got overtaken (in the manner that a Ferrari overtakes a guy on a bicycle), however the only issue was that they should have killed it off and moved on several years earlier rather than trying to flog the horse which was already long dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
I don't really back up my iPhone, I only sync when I want a a change of choons. I do back up my work phone (Nokia) but that's only because I have far more numbers on there that I want to keep hold of.
No, not really. But there isn't really much on my phone that *needs* backing up. All the Apps I can download again, my emails are on the servers not my phone. There's only really stuff like photos (the ones I want to keep I put on flickr anyway) and notes.Quote:
Originally Posted by GridGirl
That was another good feature of Nokia's - backing up to memory card, but like all Symbian features, sometimes it worked, sometimes not.
All my contacts and emails are in t'cloud; my messages are automatically backed up by an app; my media is duplicated on my home PC (and backed up - twice!); and my apps are easily downloaded for free if required.Quote:
Originally Posted by GridGirl
As an OS probably not. What did for Symbian was the user experience. Apple showed that getting software to your phone could be a doddle, others followed but Nokia clung to the dog's dinner that was the Ovi Store. Had they put some effort into that and incentivised developers to write some mass-appeal software they could still have a significant market share instead of watching the bulk of their customers drift away to Apple, Android, RIM and W7 devices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
The partnership with Microsoft could yet save their bacon but there are no devices available yet, meanwhile nobody will develop for Symbian or buy the hardware because everybody knows it's being abandoned.