Rally Great Britain 2009

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

For any of you who think that Hirvonen is not a good driver, look at this from Japan inn 2007. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-ehDmd_O6g

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Best to get some objectivity. Nobody is saying Hirvonen is not a good driver. He's a world class driver, just not on the level of Loeb. As I said yesterday, Loeb can control a rally and has a greater understanding of how and, most importantly, when to attack. He knows what stages he can pull time from and he knows when to turn the throttle down a little and bide his time.
From a fan's point of view we would all be happier if Loeb was a little slower or Hirvonen was a little quicker.

World class drivers don't have to have been WRC champions, just look at Markku Alen.

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

World class drivers don't have to have been WRC champions, just look at Markku Alen.

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And?

How about calling anyone that came 2nd or 3rd in the WRC in any year, "world class".

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

How about calling anyone that came 2nd or 3rd in the WRC in any year, "world class".

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I just did. Not really sure what your point is.

He's only 24 give him a break, i cant wait for him to start winning constantly and watch you guys say how you knew he would be the best, sitting behind a pc and pulling someone down isn't on. Every and i mean Every driver has to have accidents to gain speed just look at Malcolm Wilson he is being held back by his dad and he doesnt get anywhere and he never will until he has some good offs, you need to find the ultimate limit of the car the only way to find this is to drop it off the road a few times.

Please dont take me wrong im not having ago just trying to point you in the right direction, this sport is one of the hardest in the world, the only way to go forward is by experiance of the unexpected

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Originally Posted by noel157

And?

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who is macus alen?

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Welcom to all new members with just a few posts here to destroy of good mentality which we had here.
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mARKKU aLEN!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Brother John

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Welcom to all new members with just a few posts here to destroy of good mentality which we had here.
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wHAT DO YOU MEAN, NEW MEMBERS?

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Originally Posted by ridder

Yes Loeb is overall better driver than Hirvonen.
But this year I do think he "deserved" to win. There are at least 3 things which would have cost Loeb the title if rally ends like this:

1. No team orders on Sardinia => Latvala winning (-2 points for Mikko)
2. 2 Citroen junior drivers slowing up to 20 mins so that Loeb gets 2 points in Poland
3. "Clever" FIA decision to give just the "right" penalty to Citroen in Australia (specially compared with those windows on Fords before)

Sure it's small things, but they do add up.

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I totally agree! :up: :up: :up:

[quote="PeteRobs"]

Do you mean Matthew Wilson. :dozey:

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

mARKKU aLEN!!!!!!!!!

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it's a joke.

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Originally Posted by PeteRobs

He's only 24 give him a break, i cant wait for him to start winning constantly and watch you guys say how you knew he would be the best, sitting behind a pc and pulling someone down isn't on. Every and i mean Every driver has to have accidents to gain speed just look at Malcolm Wilson he is being held back by his dad and he doesnt get anywhere and he never will until he has some good offs, you need to find the ultimate limit of the car the only way to find this is to drop it off the road a few times.

Please dont take me wrong im not having ago just trying to point you in the right direction, this sport is one of the hardest in the world, the only way to go forward is by experiance of the unexpected

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Ah, so Matthew's grandfather is in charge of his plan, very interesting.

A very pointless and uninteligent joke!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

Do you mean Matthew Wilson. :dozey:

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it's a world champion,maybe 2099

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

wHAT DO YOU MEAN, NEW MEMBERS?

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Just look to the number of posts from the guests which here are present on the last 5 pages from this topic :rolleyes: !

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

A very pointless and uninteligent joke!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

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sorry guys,my fault.

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Originally Posted by shaitan

it's a world champion,maybe 2099

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More chane of Zinebahe being real!

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Originally Posted by Brother John

Just look to the number of posts from the guests which here are present on the last 5 pages from this topic :rolleyes: !

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Guests are not allowed to post on this forum. ;)

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

Guests are not allowed to post on this forum. ;)

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What are you doing here then? http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/scared/scared0016.gif We are all guests here. ;)

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Originally Posted by ridder

Yes Loeb is overall better driver than Hirvonen.
But this year I do think he "deserved" to win. There are at least 3 things which would have cost Loeb the title if rally ends like this:

1. No team orders on Sardinia => Latvala winning (-2 points for Mikko)
2. 2 Citroen junior drivers slowing up to 20 mins so that Loeb gets 2 points in Poland
3. "Clever" FIA decision to give just the "right" penalty to Citroen in Australia (specially compared with those windows on Fords before)

Sure it's small things, but they do add up.

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Good points

WT

Mikko just said 'I have nothing to lose, I'm going to go for it'

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Originally Posted by valmacher

Mikko just said 'I have nothing to lose, I'm going to go for it'

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Great!

He has to take 3 seconds from Loeb in every stage that is left.

I'd say: Bring it on!

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Originally Posted by valmacher

Mikko just said 'I have nothing to lose, I'm going to go for it'

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Now that's talking!!!!

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Originally Posted by valmacher

Mikko just said 'I have nothing to lose, I'm going to go for it'

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I think it`s a little bit late...

What's the difference between Eyvind Brynildsen's Skoda (I believe it is a S2000) spec's to the specs of the WRC car for 2011? Will the 2011 cars be S2000 based as well? Sorry It's late for me and thought to ask even if it might be silly question. Just looking at the times because if Eyvind Brynildsen's times are slower than the WRC cars... then Loeb, Mikko etc will be driving those same times in that spec'd car?

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Originally Posted by Xsara Fan

I think it`s a little bit late...

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I am ready to agree with you on this point ;)

The problem is he will gbe pushing to the limit in a car which he was not confident with this morning.

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Originally Posted by Xsara Fan

I think it`s a little bit late...

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In WRC it's never late........ ;)

The next stage is 35km, so if Hirvonen pushes and Loeb slows for any reason Hirvonen can take back alot of time.

This stage will probably be one of the most important stages of this years championship.

Bring it on ... Let's see Mikko go "All in"

Stage started

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

The next stage is 35km, so if Hirvonen pushes and Loeb slows for any reason Hirvonen can take back alot of time.

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But remember that's the second pass of that stage, which means the surface is much worse then the previous one, meaning Loeb is much more advantageous being the first car on the road.

Go Mikko!!!It's your last chance!!!!

Unfortunatley i can imagine Hirvonen going off the road on this stage if he pushes too hard. :(

Before anyone asks i am a hirvonen fan.

Very wet and muddy according to the radio.

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Originally Posted by muscrae

But remember that's the second pass of that stage, which means the surface is much worse then the previous one, meaning Loeb is much more advantageous being the first car on the road.

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There is no advantage...And if there is,then it favours the guys behind,because now Loeb has the lines of PWRC and other cars which are different to the wrcs...

At split 1: less than in the morning but the direction is correct.