S2000 & Group N, The future of rallying?

bstrat: SX4 S2000 is under full development. Homologation is expected in the late summer. Citroën won't built C4 S2000 because it has already started development of new generation C3 S2000.

I haven't heard the name Isao Torii in a while!

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Originally Posted by OldF

Well, we know now that the future WRC cars will be based on S2000 and N group cars. My concern is when the power will be restricted to 270 – 280 hp, will the S2000+turbo cars also sound like the N-grp cars nowadays, i.e. boring. The turbo allowed to the S2000 should be the same type they used in the beginning of the 90’s when the cars where spectacular to watch and the revs where higher, although they had a turbo. It would also be nice with an option for a 2,5-3,0 litre NA engine for the manufacturers that prefer a NA prior to a turbo.

What about the N-grp based WRC cars then? I would assume they would have at least more freedom regarding the suspension.

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I read an interesting comment the other day (and then looked at a variety of times to confirm it).

Based on stage times, on many stages today's N4 cars are faster than the Group A cars of the mid to late 90s...

How our perceptions change...

So phasing out WRC cars for S2000/Grp. N cars will perhaps be more exciting?

Not too sure, but I am finding the IRC better... well i've lost track of the WRC now... unless I know it is on!

Oh with the calendar being 12 rounds a year... something about it making it 24 a season would that mean the next season will start in 2009 and finish at the end of 2010? (and WRChampion will be crowned in 2010 with both years points tallied up?)

This new S2000 + Turbo has got me thinking that it will improve the sport with more manufacturers, but one rule needs to change.
Please ignore this if it has been mentioned before.

Today with the WRC car format, if I’m not wrong, but to have it run in WRC events as well as registered for the manufacturer’s championship, basically the consent of the parent company is needed. Prodrive and MSport have this consent on behalf of Subaru and Ford respectively. Citroen and Suzuki are in-house.

It seems like S2000 cars can be built and campaigned by anyone with enough resources.
MSD make the MG S2000, TRD Australia with the Corolla S2000, VW South Africa with the Polo S2000, MEM are making the new Proton S2000 etc.

So with the basic S2000 built, it seems as if three quarters of the job is already done before taking the next step up to the top division, S2000 +Turbo.

Here's the problem I see. I can’t really see a private development team going this next step if their car can’t run for points in the manufacturers’ championship or even run in a WRC round.

Maybe the consent rule should be dropped.

S2000 cars by Peugeot, Abarth (Fiat), Skoda and the yet to be built Suzuki and Citroen are all in-house, so it would seem logically for them to step up to S2000 + Turbo. Unfortunately if the parent companies of these other brands aren’t interested we may never see a Proton, MG, VW or Toyota top flight car if the consent rule remains.

Say for interest sake that the VW parent company weren’t interested in either funding or consenting to a VW Polo S2000T. That shouldn’t stop the private developers still making one, and for it to be eligable to run in WRC events for points. We could see privateers, like Henning or Stohl using them with their own sponsors or even with the backing of local VW dealers/importers. Similar to Patrik Sandell with the Peugeot Sweden entry in the PWRC.

Anyway just some thoughts. I’m hoping for many more manufacturers in this next era of the WRC. More manufacturers equates to more bums on seats, which equates to more depth, which equates to better rallies! Hope the FIA get it right!

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Originally Posted by Maui J.

This new S2000 + Turbo has got me thinking that it will improve the sport with more manufacturers, but one rule needs to change.
Please ignore this if it has been mentioned before.

Today with the WRC car format, if I’m not wrong, but to have it run in WRC events as well as registered for the manufacturer’s championship, basically the consent of the parent company is needed. Prodrive and MSport have this consent on behalf of Subaru and Ford respectively. Citroen and Suzuki are in-house.

It seems like S2000 cars can be built and campaigned by anyone with enough resources.
MSD make the MG S2000, TRD Australia with the Corolla S2000, VW South Africa with the Polo S2000, MEM are making the new Proton S2000 etc.

So with the basic S2000 built, it seems as if three quarters of the job is already done before taking the next step up to the top division, S2000 +Turbo.

Here's the problem I see. I can’t really see a private development team going this next step if their car can’t run for points in the manufacturers’ championship or even run in a WRC round.

Maybe the consent rule should be dropped.

S2000 cars by Peugeot, Abarth (Fiat), Skoda and the yet to be built Suzuki and Citroen are all in-house, so it would seem logically for them to step up to S2000 + Turbo. Unfortunately if the parent companies of these other brands aren’t interested we may never see a Proton, MG, VW or Toyota top flight car if the consent rule remains.

Say for interest sake that the VW parent company weren’t interested in either funding or consenting to a VW Polo S2000T. That shouldn’t stop the private developers still making one, and for it to be eligable to run in WRC events for points. We could see privateers, like Henning or Stohl using them with their own sponsors or even with the backing of local VW dealers/importers. Similar to Patrik Sandell with the Peugeot Sweden entry in the PWRC.

Anyway just some thoughts. I’m hoping for many more manufacturers in this next era of the WRC. More manufacturers equates to more bums on seats, which equates to more depth, which equates to better rallies! Hope the FIA get it right!

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Good post mate, i think you have a point there. Hopefully FIA will see the point of it too, but i'm afraid they won't. ;)

First pics of the new car that probably will form the basis of the new Citroen S2000, and S2000 based WRC

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/au...itroen_c3.html

This is weird,they usually show the picture of the new rally car based on the new car and then the standard new car(both C2 S1600 and C4 WRC were shown before the C2 and C4)

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Originally Posted by Sulland

First pics of the new car that probably will form the basis of the new Citroen S2000, and S2000 based WRC

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/au...itroen_c3.html

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Nice joke :) Autoexpress is THE worst magazine in the world. They make stuff up. They made stuff up about a Ferrari Dino and photochopped it onto the background of a Porsche shoot.

Look at this. Pure fantasy. THey just crookedly chopped a 2cvesque nose onto a C3 middle section and then changed the back a bit. It's pure fantasy and will never happen.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/au...v_is_back.html

By the time this car is supposed to debut Auto Express will have made up so many other cars that you'll forget about this one and how it was so wrong compared to the real thing.

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Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000

This is weird,they usually show the picture of the new rally car based on the new car and then the standard new car(both C2 S1600 and C4 WRC were shown before the C2 and C4)

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As I said above this is Auto Express. They are forever breaking these exlusive bullpoop stories which have no link to reality at all. This is rubbish. It may look a tiny bit like the real thing but the real thing will probably be quite a bit different.

Changes ahead for the WRC - Part two

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk...-%20Part%20two