Ferrari/McLaren Espionage Story [merged]

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5th July 2007, 14:27
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by ioan

To the hell with the FIA, they will try to protect themselves first, bunch of pussies. Let's see what will be decided in the court, in England and in Italy!

Another view of things: http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=31995

First of all, my opinion is that Bernie cannot dictate what the outcome, if any, will be. He can give his opinion, but that's about it.

But ioan raises a very interesting point here: the courts in both Italy and the UK could have a determination of any punishment; however, the courts cannot penalise teams regarding points, wins etc. They can only fine persons/teams and/or chuck persons in jail.

It will be the FIA which will decide penalties, if any, to teams in F1 and/or to their drivers.
5th July 2007, 14:36
Flat.tyres

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

let me guess.... you are not a Ferrari fan? :D

not a Ferrari fan but not against them either. def dont dislike them.

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What is a company in your mind? In my mind a company it's the leading personal in different functions in a company and things like that we are discussion are even more serious if a person who has a leading position in a company is involved.
But as i said IF it's true.. it's serious .. no question about that .. but let's hope it's not as newspapers are mentioning.

you are quite right that senior people in a company carry an implied responsibility just because of the gravitas of their position but not automatic association. for example, if Frank williams decided to shoot ron then should Williams be disqualified because of one mans actions independant of the team?

IF these allergations prove to have substance, and IF McLaren are implicated, then the FIA HAVE to take some action against the team I think. But, if Mike was acting independantly, then I think the buck stops with him if the teams done nothing wrong.
5th July 2007, 14:36
jas123f1

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

If...if...if...that is the contents of the document...you can speculate and make as many assumptions as you like, but without a basis in fact any assumption is on thin ground.

Deciding on a penalty for one party in all of this is premature at best.

Sure, it's a premature and only my opinion of the doc - and i hope there is exaggerations as usually when newspapers are going on.. but it looks serious and that's the reason why newspapers are writing of it in the whole world..

:)
5th July 2007, 14:41
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

for example, if Frank williams decided to shoot ron then should Williams be disqualified because of one mans actions independant of the team?

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No!! he would definitely get a second knighthood, and be addressed as Sir Frank Williams, Sir!!
5th July 2007, 14:45
Flat.tyres

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

No!! he would definitely get a second knighthood, and be addressed as Sir Frank Williams, Sir!!

:laugh:

actually, they get on OK so perhaps they gang up on Flav instead.

"you hold him down ronnie boy and I'll run him over" :D
5th July 2007, 14:46
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

:laugh:

actually, they get on OK so perhaps they gang up on Flav instead.

"you hold him down ronnie boy and I'll run him over" :D

:D :D :rotflmao:
5th July 2007, 14:59
cannonman

I thought there would be more people on this board who would be less than surprised by something like this. Espionage and treachery, I imagine, goes on up and down the pit lane. 'Ol Nige slipped up pretty bad somewhere, but I'll bet my balls that there's more than a few other engineers doing similar sorts of things out there, in F1 and every other racing series.

So should Nige's 'behaviour' (to use ferrari's term) be considered morally reprehensable? Sure, and he should get his due punishment, but don't pretend like this tarnishes the World Championship or that McLaren's cars should be impounded because this kind of activity is nothing new.
5th July 2007, 15:00
Big Ben

OMG... Now I understand everything (it's a shame they've changed the title of the thread-It sounded so witty)

I can imagine now some day Coughlan coming to a meeting saying: well guys, I did my best but I've ran out of ideas but I've had a last one that will save us. I've bought the plans for a ferrari... we will be able to build a ferrari now! imagine a silver ferrari...My contact man promised me that for the right price he ll get us a car... The whole team: Yoohoo! and RD: well done mate... you shall get a raise...
5th July 2007, 15:01
f1rocks

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Originally Posted by pino

According to ital channel Studio Sport (Italia1) there is another McLaren employer involved in this story. Hopefully we will know more in the next hours, not that I am excited about it anyway :s

Now that is what I was thinking earlier. There has got to be more people involved. Please keep us updated and thanks for the news.
5th July 2007, 15:02
f1rocks

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60502

Edit: I wonder if it was Ross Brawn :D :laugh:

It was Schumy the detective... :D

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