2014 Silly Season

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

Still, it was McLaren's actions that cost them the fine, not Alonso's providing evidence. [b]It would have come out one way or the other. His leaking the Emails merely sped up the process. It does show however that, unless the teams are all suffering from selective amnesia, he's not exactly the most employable driver out there and might have no other chance than staying at Ferrari. Being implicated in spygate and crashgate, he appears to be a worthy successor to Schumacher - just a few titles lacking :disturb: And people were making a fuss over Vettel ignoring a team order :laugh:

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It is a matter of semantics really; he no problems participating in it and the first moment things didn't go his way he resorted to blackmail, and then providing evidence against the team that was cleared by the FIA.
IMO, the fine is Alonso's fault, at least it should be from McLaren's perspective.

He really is a despicable guy, but he just happens to be the greatest driver of this generation so we shall love him for that.
Vettel, he has Jesus... err Newey on his side...

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Originally Posted by Koz

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Originally Posted by Parabolica

The man who cost McLaren wasn't called Fernando Alonso.

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Ok, then please do enlighten me as to who leaked the emails to the Bernie following a certain incident in Hungary and the failed blackmailing attempt...

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This isn't really the thread for it.

But, suffice to say that Alonso did not leak the emails. If the facts are what was reported, then he told Dennis that he would inform the FIA if Dennis did not provide him with the status he had been promised.

Dennis, realising that Alonso wasn't just playing games and, I sense, suspecting that there was more to Spygate than his initial investigation had uncovered (or not looked for, if one is to be critical and cynical), promptly realised that it would be better if he approached the FIA with the information. A case of trying to show that he was not trying to hoodwink the FIA (maybe he had, maybe he hadn't, either way it was better in terms of final judgement that he contacted the FIA).

Now, there is an argument to be had that Dennis himself had been happy to break certain agreements he had made with Alonso, which are equal to the "crime" of blackmail which is often pinned on the Spaniard.

But, as I said, that is for another thread, most probably in the History section.

One thing for sure is that whatever Alonso and De La Rosa did, it did not stop them from being highly employable.

Fernando, since 2007, has had contract offers from Renault and Ferrari which were signed, and was at some stage after Spygate, in 2007 and 2008 also wanted by both Honda and Red Bull.

Now, with Mclaren publicly declaring an interest, it would appear that every team in the top half of the field has judged that Alonso is not despicable.

Just for the record, the Honda and Red Bull interest was reported at the time -

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69683

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/n ... orts.sport

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Originally Posted by Parabolica

Dennis, realising that Alonso wasn't just playing games and, I sense, suspecting that there was more to Spygate than his initial investigation had uncovered (or not looked for, if one is to be critical and cynical), promptly realised that it would be better if he approached the FIA with the information. A case of trying to show that he was not trying to hoodwink the FIA (maybe he had, maybe he hadn't, either way it was better in terms of final judgement that he contacted the FIA).

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That's not quite true. Dennis approached Max Mosley and informed him that Alonso would send Bernie the Emails, but assured him that they didn't contain any evidence, which was subsequently exposed as a lie ;)

DJ, beat me to it.

Wrong.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/s ... rts.sport1

Ron, after the blackmail attempt told Uncle Max there was nothing to worry about.

Alonso leaked the emails.

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Originally Posted by Koz

DJ, beat me to it.

Wrong.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/s ... rts.sport1

Ron, after the blackmail attempt told Uncle Max there was nothing to worry about.

Alonso leaked the emails.

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The report has the word "apparently" in the opening paragraph.

Something which apparently happened isn't something which is confirmed.

That report only states that Ferrari's lawyer claims that it was not Dennis, he does not name anybody.

The claim in the Guardian report that Dennis makes about Bernie being aware of something in Spanish is just hearsay, with no evidence to support it.

But, as stated, this is best moved to the History section.

alonso is a skilled politican, is he as skilled on track, we will see next year. Or not as it could be Maclaren as a shelter.

Is he skilled on track?

No, every single win has been gained purely by his political prowess.

Because of this, Ferrari only want to replace him with somebody as politically gifted.

Tony Blair is having a seat fitting next week.

Oh Felipe. He's standing up for himself, but all to late.

He's going to prove that that doesn't apply to him, Felipe is very fast, tfhat is the second most important reason Ferrari signed him. We're gonna' be fast, and more planted in race trim in Singapore :wave:

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Oh Felipe. He's standing up for himself, but all to late.

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which raises the question, as malbec pointed out, WHERE THE FOKK HAS HE BEEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THEN ? :sailor:

Still, under a tenth is hardly a thrashing, although maybe Alonso is so scared of kimi he can't drive straight anymore eh, mia ? :laugh: