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22nd April 2013, 15:42
Gregor-y

Historically I wish US had taken better advantage of the Non-Aligned Movement. After coming to Nasser's rescue over the Suez we could't agree on anything else with the Soviets, even obvious values like ending the colonial system our own country was the model of breaking. Even in this day and age some Republicans have labeled the President with the term 'anit-colonial' to play to some very old red-scare terms only very old people would understand, let alone follow. Would our influence have changed Nasser's policies, changing his response to the original Muslim Brotherhood (or even changing what the Brotherhood at the time wanted to achieve)? That gets tricky, though. It's too easy to claim a single event would change everything else.

However, we didn't start giving Israel blank checks (or Iran, for that matter) until Nixon was president. Another thing to blame on the guy.
22nd April 2013, 16:14
Spafranco

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Most interesting if true.

Unfortunately, it is true. I can see the President being blamed for this as was Janet Reno/Bill Clinton for Waco where a whacko (sic) was to be served a

warrant and instead of complying decided to open fire on the ATF agents (federal agents).

Right there and then the right wing element went all out to attack Reno, Clinton and the ATF. Three agents killed.

Here is the issue which is quite disturbing in my opinion. Why would the right wing and some on the left support certain actions which were A/ Illegal,

B/ Traitorous. When a US citizen has all types of weapons, holds countless people hostage including children and some elderly it appears that some

gravitate to the second amendment. Has anyone really, I mean really read what the 2nd amendment says. It quite clearly stated that it was for militia

purposes and the need for people, if one reads deeper into the reality of that time, it was necessary to have a gun to conduct even the most mundane

of exercises.Gathering wood, getting food and protection against the Native Americans who were going to take your scalp if that could be attained.

So, we have those who do not see the illogical arguments they make and accept everything thrown at them based upon their ideology.

ATF, Reno,Clinton wrong. Koresh correct, even though he had a small armory, killed three agents and refused to come out or let the people go.

I would bet that the Stockholm Syndrome was part of all of this.

Do agencies make mistakes and large ones at that not to mention an administration ignoring threats to the nation. This has happened and is fact.

This news pertaining to Tamerlan Tsarnaev is true and sadly appears to have been known that he was erratic in his behavior and thus should have been

known immediately. Do you think/believe that it's possible that the agency mentioned knew immediately who it was and rather than admit to

incompetence decided to play it out to save face? Hard to know but not something I would place a bet on.
22nd April 2013, 16:42
Starter

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Unfortunately, it is true. I can see the President being blamed for this as was Janet Reno/Bill Clinton for Waco where a whacko (sic) was to be served a

warrant and instead of complying decided to open fire on the ATF agents (federal agents).

Right there and then the right wing element went all out to attack Reno, Clinton and the ATF. Three agents killed.

Here is the issue which is quite disturbing in my opinion. Why would the right wing and some on the left support certain actions which were A/ Illegal,

B/ Traitorous. When a US citizen has all types of weapons, holds countless people hostage including children and some elderly.........

Rewriting history. From wikipedia:
"The incident began when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) attempted to raid the ranch. An intense gun battle erupted, resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Branch Davidians. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound, a siege was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the standoff lasting 51 days. Eventually, the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out. During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center and 76 men, women, and children,^[8]^[9] including David Koresh, died."

Show me where anyone was held hostage. Those people were willing participants - wacko cultists, but still willing participants. That still does not excuse the overwelming use of force by the government. There was no reason to stage a full scale military assualt. Those folks weren't going anywhere.

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....it appears that some gravitate to the second amendment. Has anyone really, I mean really read what the 2nd amendment says. It quite clearly stated that it was for militia
purposes and the need for people, if one reads deeper into the reality of that time, it was necessary to have a gun to conduct even the most mundane
of exercises.Gathering wood, getting food and protection against the Native Americans who were going to take your scalp if that could be attained.
So, we have those who do not see the illogical arguments they make and accept everything thrown at them based upon their ideology.

Your opinion of the second amendment does not correspond with that of the Supreme Court which, several times, has decided otherwise.

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This news pertaining to Tamerlan Tsarnaev is true and sadly appears to have been known that he was erratic in his behavior and thus should have been known immediately. Do you think/believe that it's possible that the agency mentioned knew immediately who it was and rather than admit to incompetence decided to play it out to save face? Hard to know but not something I would place a bet on.

I would be hard pressed to find a more ignorant statement. While the FBI, it seems, could have been more diligent in tracking Tamerlan, it does not follow that they would have immediately known he was the perpetrator.
22nd April 2013, 17:12
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

And he's out of medication.

I reckon he's simply developed an immunity to it.......
22nd April 2013, 18:49
ioan

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

As is evident with the comments regarding Islam, not all Europeans are an issue just those, like you, who apparently does not read the posts that

constantly demean the people of the United States.

To anyone with a modicum of intelligence, the reaction as a result of the fear perpetrated by these two men who have taken advantage of

what the US offers but in particular what this small town within the city of Boston felt. People in a closely knit community reacted as any people will

when confronted with people like these two were responsible for the horrific death and injury perpetrated on the people of Watertown, Boston and the

US. So, give us a little latitude and give us a few moments of comfort amidst the fear these people felt all week.

The fear is perpetrated by your government and the mass media not by a dead man and one who just woke up from coma.
Shutting down a whole city in order to search for a wounded person is not normal, they did it to increase the fear of the plebe.
22nd April 2013, 18:52
ioan

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Once again akin to the post that followed this by Ioan you jump at the chance to make a conclusion based on either the lack of education in the US or

the political slant of what certain posts state.

What Starter has said is absolutely correct. Where have you seen the outrage (within the Muslim community)and condemnation of the attacks by these

two who without a doubt are and were Muslim.

Do we know if this was a religion motivated act of terror?
If not why would the Muslims condemn the act? Why should they put themselves in the spotlight if it has nothing to do with them or their religion?
22nd April 2013, 18:53
ioan

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Tell us which country you are speaking of? Comparing an other country apparently within the western world is a very bold and serious statement to make in the current climate.

Are you seriously asking for an answer to a rhetoric question?
22nd April 2013, 18:56
ioan

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Quite a few Americans? Where? The media,forums or those you know? Certainly I'm sure it would be quite easy for one to find such people in Europe.

So, how many did you find?

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

You would have to agree, correct?

Why should one agree to an unfounded claim? Just because you use the word 'certainly'?

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Not all Europeans would be able to name all of the former satellite countries of Russia or those seeking independence. Could you?

Ofcourse we would, we've learned about them.
22nd April 2013, 18:59
ioan

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

You don't know much about the American film industry, which is highly critical of conservative politics. The violence I will grant you, but that mostly a red herring argument.

Your last statement is pure b.s.--you must be buying what your media is feeding you.

I am not buying anything because I do not listen to any specific media, I always read all available credible sources and make up my mind based on an overview of the situation.
22nd April 2013, 19:01
ioan

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

I will not even dignify this with a reply.

Cause there is nothing rational you can come up with against his point? Good choice.

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