Homophobia

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Interesting Wedge. Wonder why that is?? I would prefer not to see overt kissing by 2 men but equally, I don't like seeing overt kissing by heterosexuals. Bit of decorum required in public I think.

Now, 2 ladies is different :devil:

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You're such a tool at times Knocky. Women shouldn't kiss in public either. They should do it behind closed doors.



Preferably MY closed doors. :)

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

And exactly how are gay activists any different? They are the ones who preach for tolerance, yet someone who is against their opinion is massacred at once and hated. Whoever dares to say something that gay activists consider "anti-gay" is labelled a bigot and a homophobe at once. Pretty much a death sentence to that person's career. So I always find it weird how gay activists who claim to fight for tolerance are actually the most intolerant group out there.
That isn't to say I am religious. I have had my share of dealings with religious types before and they tend not to like my opinions too much :laugh:

As for my opinion on homosexuals - well, if you are two consenting adults, then I really don't care even slightly what you do in your home. It is not my business, nor anyone else's and one should be free to do whatever he/she pleases. On the overall scheme of things, I dont agree and I don't see myself ever agreeing with gays adopting or marrying, because I just don't consider those things normal (I could expand on that view, but a short explanation will be just fine for now). Simple, those are my views and no matter how much certain groups try to silence people who share my opinion, it will make no difference to mine, it might only strenghten it.

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I haven't said much (anything) here, but I have to say I agree with this unpopular opinion. I will by now already have been labelled a hater or something worse in the minds of the tolerant people reading this.

It might be a surprise to find out that I don't hate people for having inclinations. But in my experience there are a few bad eggs who want to flaunt their stuff and are campaigning vigorously to saturate their lifestyle etc into education. I know enough of how anyone who has with the utmost kindness and gentleness politely disagreed (simply on grounds on their conscience, or (something else) have been viciously beaten and savaged, and more. I disagree with the person who suggested it isn't happening. Sadly it kinda is. I can't say I feel that is good and right. I have actually experienced enough first hand and been called the most anti-gay person ever. That was a couple of years ago and was amazing because I can't think of any time I've been anything but cordial and friendly :confused: I just wish someone would tell me why on earth I would be anti-gay. I think it's just that some people are so used to expecting verbal attacks that they see them when they just aren't there.

If people preach so much tolerance, maybe they can do something really radical and actually apply that to themselves also, and simply learn to tolerate the fact that some people just can't find it in their conscience to find that homosexual inclinations are good and right. I know people who feel this way, yet I just cannot see them as haters. The ones doing the hating are the people who proudly declare themselves tolerant.

If this means I am homophobic, then so be it. :) I've actually never been scared of homosexuals btw (maybe a lit In fact I was talking to someone earlier who's inclined that way, and it just ain't an issue for me.



Is it so wrong to simply mention, no matter how kindly, your opinion when badgered for it, that it simply seems physically incompatible for two males or two females to be intimate in that way? If you think about it, the parts look made for one to fit in the other to me.

Has anyone actually read this and realised that I actually haven't attacked anyone (to my knowledge)?!

I look forward to my ban for being so intolerant. Goodbye everyone. :)

Peace :cool:

I just said all that cos I get exasperated sometimes at the behaviour of people, which I've experienced towards myself too. I will always accept anyone regardless of whether they like girls, guys or Echidnas. I get tired sometimes of people screaming about tolerance, but not seeming to give much out themselves.

I just agree with what Garry said: It seems no-one is less tolerant than the people who keep screaming about tolerance, and throw the words "bigot" "hater" etc around, causing them to go out of fashion. The stuff that he describes does very much happen sadly.

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

Now that there seems to be a little lull in the discussion, I thought I'd address this post.. I hope you won't mind this temporary digression.



This is by no means true. Let me tell you about a little fellow called the bonobo ape. ;)

http://primategallery.files.wordpres.../bonobo_eg.jpg

From Wikipedia - "Sexual intercourse plays a major role in bonobo society, being used as what some scientists perceive as a greeting, a means of forming social bonds, a means of conflict resolution, and postconflict reconciliation. Bonobos are the only nonhuman animal to have been observed engaging in all of the following sexual activities: face-to-face genital sex, tongue kissing, and oral sex."



Might it not be more to do with the fact that all animals are hunted - not least by humans - except humans?

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People in prision have a lot of sex too. Is that for the pleasure of all parties involved?

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

People in prision have a lot of sex too. Is that for the pleasure of all parties involved?

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In case of rape, obviously not. But what is your point?

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

That isn't to say I am religious. I have had my share of dealings with religious types before and they tend not to like my opinions too much :laugh:

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That reminds me that Easter is coming and you'll probably start the usual debate on religious issues. :devil:

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Originally Posted by rjbetty

I just wish someone would tell me why on earth I would be anti-gay......

If people preach so much tolerance, maybe they can do something really radical and actually apply that to themselves also, and simply learn to tolerate the fact that some people just can't find it in their conscience to find that homosexual inclinations are good and right. I know people who feel this way, yet I just cannot see them as haters. The ones doing the hating are the people who proudly declare themselves tolerant.......

If this means I am homophobic, then so be it. :)

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If you look upon someone else as living their life in an incorrect way because its not how you live yours, it means you are intolerant of that particular person in a simplistic way. In this case you admit to not being able to find it in your conscience to accept gay people and you don't think its right. That to me suggests you are homophobic to a degree as I can't think of any other word for it.

What annoys me in this society is the fact racism causes public outcry yet homophobia is still somewhat accepted because of old fashioned views being passed on. If someone was to say 'I really just don't like black or Asian people and can't justify it in my conscience to change that view', then there would likely be shock and condemnation, and rightly so IMO. Its not something that is acceptable to freely admit without some form of backlash. I can't get my own head around the stance when people claim 'to have nothing against gay people, but suggest its wrong and wouldn't accept it'..... That to me sounds like a contradiction as you either accept something or you don't IMO. Nobody gets a choice whether they are black, white, heterosexual, or gay. We get what we're given and as rational human beings we should accept everyone equally within reason. Racists and Homophobes are the ones society are best off without.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Nobody gets a choice whether they are black, white, heterosexual, or gay. We get what we're given and as rational human beings we should accept everyone equally within reason.

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That's really the point, isn't it. It's not a choice, it's what you're given. Like your race, your right- or left-handedness, your height, and many other things. Saying "I don't accept homosexuality" is essentially no different from saying "I don't accept short people". It's just pathetic, and does no good to anyone.

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Originally Posted by rjbetty

But in my experience there are a few bad eggs who want to flaunt their stuff and are campaigning vigorously to saturate their lifestyle etc into education.

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And what is wrong with teaching children about homosexuality? I just don't understand.

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Originally Posted by rjbetty

If people preach so much tolerance, maybe they can do something really radical and actually apply that to themselves also, and simply learn to tolerate the fact that some people just can't find it in their conscience to find that homosexual inclinations are good and right. [...] The ones doing the hating are the people who proudly declare themselves tolerant.

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We tolerate you. We have no choice, really. We just think your intolerance is neither "good" nor "right".

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Originally Posted by henners88

Racists and Homophobes are the ones society are best off without.

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This is, perhaps, OTT. There are many types of offenders who society would be better off without IMO. Murderers, paedophiles, etc. People who not only think anti-socially, but act anti-socially.

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Originally Posted by henners88

If you look upon someone else as living their life in an incorrect way because its not how you live yours, it means you are intolerant of that particular person in a simplistic way. In this case you admit to not being able to find it in your conscience to accept gay people and you don't think its right. That to me suggests you are homophobic to a degree as I can't think of any other word for it.

What annoys me in this society is the fact racism causes public outcry yet homophobia is still somewhat accepted because of old fashioned views being passed on. If someone was to say 'I really just don't like black or Asian people and can't justify it in my conscience to change that view', then there would likely be shock and condemnation, and rightly so IMO. Its not something that is acceptable to freely admit without some form of backlash. I can't get my own head around the stance when people claim 'to have nothing against gay people, but suggest its wrong and wouldn't accept it'..... That to me sounds like a contradiction as you either accept something or you don't IMO. Nobody gets a choice whether they are black, white, heterosexual, or gay. We get what we're given and as rational human beings we should accept everyone equally within reason. Racists and Homophobes are the ones society are best off without.

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Maybe it is an intolerance of the way SOME homosexuals portray themselves, rather than homosexuality itself that rjbetty is talking about?

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

And what is wrong with teaching children about homosexuality? I just don't understand.

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Nothing. But - assuming we are talking school education as opposed to a perent child 'birds and the bees' chat - is your average teacher really qualified to teach this and answer some of the more pressing but innocent questions children may have? A heterosexual dicussing/teaching about homosexuality may not be able to answer an innocent childs probing question correctly.

If my son were to ask me about homosexuality, I don't think I would be able to answer his questions correctly. Certainly, my opinion wont be the same as that of a homosexual, and would therefore be biased. Do I tell him to go read a book?

ANd if my son were to be homosexual, he'd be best getting the best advice. Don't get me wrong he'd get my unconditional love, but would I be qualified to give him the correct advice?