Sutil will stand trial in a German court later this month

I'm late to this conversation but here is my two cents:
Before the hearing everything I read said that Sutil was going to get a one year suspended sentence. He ended up getting one and a half. None of us know what Hamilton saw or didn't see. I don't know how these things work in Germany, but in the US if a material witness is given a summons and in advance replies that he can't make it on that date the court will grant a continuance. If he just refuses to show up without getting permission he is held in contemt of court. I refuse to take the scenario any further than that. I am just as far in the dark as everyone else.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Leave out the sanctimonious claptrap, ioan. You have no knowledge of what happened;

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That's two of us then, at least.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think considering the lack of information here I would say this debate has been pretty civil. You may laugh at Hamilton fans defending him and the lengths 'we' go to, but are you not doing the same with the little info you have in order to make false negative suggestions? Hmmm. It never fails to amuse me how you continually use some of Hamilton's less appealing incidents in the past when attempting to justify a weak suggestion, but on the other hand support argueably the most unsporting driver the sport has ever seen yourself. Just my opinion me old fruit.


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Did I imply anything else then Lewis having a murky past? Do you disagree on me saying that he didn't always walk the line?
I never said that the Sutil case was handled right or wrong, just that it is not as obvious as the Hamy brigade wants to paint it.

Even journo's who claim to have seen the evidence are having divided opinions on this case, so why can't we also have different opinions.
I don't think that falling into one extreme or the other is the way to go, why not try to see a bit of both sides?

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Originally Posted by henners88

Welcome back ;)

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Thanks Bro. :cool:

please explain?
if lewis was not that close to the see the attack glassing fight or whatever you would like to call it
WHY THIS ? Hamilton wasn't involved in the altercation and was rushed from the scene by his bodyguard. Sutil shortly followed.

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Originally Posted by CNR

please explain?
if lewis was not that close to the see the attack glassing fight or whatever you would like to call it
WHY THIS ? Hamilton wasn't involved in the altercation and was rushed from the scene by his bodyguard. Sutil shortly followed.

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Please stop using bold letters thank you !

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Originally Posted by CNR

please explain?
if lewis was not that close to the see the attack glassing fight or whatever you would like to call it
WHY THIS ? Hamilton wasn't involved in the altercation and was rushed from the scene by his bodyguard. Sutil shortly followed.

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The first thing that comes to mind is to get the hell out of their before the paparazzi show up. Being rushed out of the joint means what? It is a little vague. Did they sprint, trot, Jog, or just walk away leaving expeditiously? Are you suggesting Hamilton wouldn't be able to get up and walk away without his body guard? I wasn't there so I can only offer the simplest opinion. It may come down to Lewis just being plain pissed off that his friend ruined an otherwise enjoyable celebration for which he was the guest of honor by not being able to hold his liquor. We don’t know. The members on this forum know I'm a Ferrari guy that has huge respect for Alonso, but my appreciation of F1s pilots is not mutually exclusive, in fact I admire almost all of them. That is not the type of scene I'd want to hang out at if I was a high profile athlete. It's would just be worse publicity than I would want, especially if there would be nothing accomplished by staying. All I have offered is a possible scenario. As I already stated I’m not in any position to speak with authority about the specifics earlier in this thread.

What do you think it means? You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Was it not so that Lewis sat right beside Sutil when the matter happened?

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Originally Posted by henners88

I agree Lewis does not have a squeaky clean past in all aspects but that has little relevance in this instance. I have also not read any articles from journalists who have seen evidence that suggest Lewis was involved or had seen anything. Adam Cooper tweeted that he had seen the CCTV footage and that Mr Lux was not as innocent as had been portrayed but he didn't suggest Lewis was involved or a key witness. Lewis was removed from the scene by bodyguards which is understandable due to the nature of the incident. With a volatile atmosphere in the club I think maybe a few others were maybe ushered away too. I'm not suggesting Lewis saw nothing and I'm not suggesting he did, as I don't know, but we have his word at the moment. Sutil hasn't claimed Lewis saw anything either and the details are all a bit vague. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I can't help but think you have made your mind up before any evidence has surfaced. I have to admire your consistency though.


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Who said Lewis was involved?
All we said is that he was present and would like to hear his version of the events instead of a stern 'didn't see it'.

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Originally Posted by ioan

All we said is that he was present and would like to hear his version of the events instead of a stern 'didn't see it'.

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Have you read the statement made to the court? If, as I think it's safe to assume, not how do you know its content let alone its tone?