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Why have they gone? If that is the rules, we will see the likes of Citroen, M Sport, Subaru/Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/kia, VW see this opportunity to promote what their road cars are.
if the wrc has to go 2WD then so be it.
Lets just see what happens, nothing discussed on here will make a difference.
In group A era tuners could Build car and that was it. Now only works cars are available, why?
as long as WRC is under the governing body of the FIA there is no hope...
When things start to get momentum (VW announcement, mini involvement, Toyota thinking of entering some time ago, Subaru also ) the FIA will do something to hold things back because they want motorsport fans hooked to F1 and their ladyboys...
They turned F1 into a circus where fans refer to drivers with initials, they care about the ladyboy drivers personal life like they are pop stars and turned the public into stupid retarded fanboys fighting who for the ladyboys they support like they are their boyfriends...
the future of WRC is the one the FIA will allow it to be...
Are you mad?!Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
What about the excitement of watching a rally live?! I see around here most are worried about TV shows and manufacteur numbers but dont forget this is a sport to be experienced live, we need loud, crazy fast cars.
This would surely be the death of the WRC. Whilst we might mostly agree that the technical freedoms manufacturers have enjoyed have driven the costs too high for most to participate, the sport still needs to be attractive to both watch and compete in.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
Rally cars should look and sound exciting, and they need to go well. Production based categories simply don't do it.
:up: I agree this is the way it needs to go, while Sollit correctly points out we need mentally fast cars on the stages, realistically the costs of building the cars has to come down so we can have more even, close competition, and not another complete domination of the manu championship like citroen in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
Exactly, nowadays if you want to compete, you have no choice BUT to go to citroen or M sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Your first and last comments are correct, the FIA have failed all of us rally fans, and another organiser should be brought in. But who? The fact that the FIA have no competition mean they can do what ever the hell they want with the series, whether its good for the sport or not.
I would say they should stick to F1, but judging by this thread
http://www.motorsportforums.com/f1/1...-going-f1.html
in the F1 section, theyre not exactly happy customers either, thanks to FIA and "supremo" ecclestone.
Well done FIA :mad:
You can bring the costs of the car down without completely throwing the baby out the window. Rallying is about innovation and inventiveness. It is also an exciting form of motor racing and cars should look and sound like racing cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Dumb it down to a production category and nobody will come. National series which have gone this way are testament to that.
In reality, do you know that it is the cost of engineering and production of the car which deters manufacturers, or is it the cost of infrastructure, manpower, compliance and logistics which won't reduce regardless of the formula?
What assurances are there that a reduction in the cost of the car will bring a wider entry?
I'm not saying nothing should change, but if you think bland, production based formulae are the panacea you are really on a different planet.
The biggest handicap moneywise is the organisasion, not the cars. I think todays formula is good, but when the main goal is to earn lots of money, then it has to be to much expensive. If FIA really wanted, they could really well make the rules that they have to use one kind of gearbox, and one kind of diffs. But citroen and Ford didn't wan't that, so that's not happen. So citroen, Ford and FIA is the people to blame. It is no problem to make bodykits in fiberglass to a decent price, to the same price as a standard part, it just that simple that noone of the earlier mention want's that! They wanna earn lots of money!
The solution is simple, keep todays formula, skip the homologation rules, and put in some rules how many people that can work in a team and how much single parts can cost. Then its open for private entries to build cars, rebuild existing parts, maintance the car with own solutions, and then still be competitive in sensible costs.
R4 Impreza with 34mm or 36mm would be attractive.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
As would the many FWD turbo petrol cars on the road like Golf's.
Example here of Impreza in USA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVFkGp0e35Q&sns=fb
Taking the rules right back (away from Citroen and M Sport dictating with specialist build cars) will be the best thing for the WRC. Just like GpA did after GpB. Then watch things build nicely.
Do You really believe that making rules back to gr.A days would make manufacturers willing to spent billions on road-going rallycars which with the exception of the two Japanese died all over the planet? The answer is no, sorry. Things have changed.