11-5: The 2012 schedule

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

I hear people say that the racing isn't the problem and I wonder what race they are watching.

The cars look ridiculous there like an adult sitting in a Kindergarten classroom chair. Too big and overpowered to be driving around in a circle. It is the poster child for those who dislike ovals.

I know that many will take exception to this but look at it from the point of view of people who don't like oval racing.

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If they don't like ovals, I just assume they don't watch. I'm a fan of both and prefer real permanent road courses a bit more than ovals but the flat one milers are my absolute favorite. Fast, tight,dicingback and forth, closing in sometimes within inches a lap, working working to set up the overtake, sometimes just to loose teh position back as fast as they overtook. I loved New Hampshire, Phoenix, Nazareth and Milwaukee. The best was seeing Indycars lap a flat 1 milers at faster speeds than stock cars could manage at some of the high banked larger tracks.

I love Michigan and Fontana and Indy, I just don't like seeing them on the real high banked 1.5's and I especially dislike the flatter sweeping momentum 1.5's like Chicagoland and Kansas.

Yeah, Gimme some of this!

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Originally Posted by DBell

I know you don't like ovals and I'll accept that this is you view of Milwaukee, but you should accept that your view is a minority view among IndyCar fans and out of step with what a majority of fans want. For me, I like ovals like Milwaukee, the old Phoenix, and Loudon. It's the banked Nascar ovals I don't bother with. To me, Milwaukee was one of the better races last year. The difference between Milwaukee and a place like Homestead is the Mile was once a successful race. If they give it 3 years and can't grow the fanbase back to respectable levels, then it's time to draw a line under Milwaukee.

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Nope.

I would suggest recent history proves that the vast majority of Indycar fans do not like Ovals.
Remember the series was created as an all oval series and now is a series whose schedule is dominated by road and street courses. If Ovals were the most popular there would be more oval races.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Nope.

I would suggest recent history proves that the vast majority of Indycar fans do not like Ovals.
Remember the series was created as an all oval series and now is a series whose schedule is dominated by road and street courses. If Ovals were the most popular there would be more oval races.

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If you view it in the most simplistic terms perhaps. More to the equation than what you describe.

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Originally Posted by DBell

If you view it in the most simplistic terms perhaps. More to the equation than what you describe.

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Gee, imagine that, the "journalist" leaving out parts of the equation.

Gary

I think the lack of promotion is the reason for the lack of attendance at oval races and so due to this the lack of ovals on the schedule. The reason that there's more attendance at especially street races, is because many people who do attend those races are not even real fans. It's just part of their day trip or holidays. For me it's not such a big problem as I enjoy the races on road/street courses as well, but for me there goes nothing above an oval race. Of course I can understand some other people are more a fan of road/street racing and that makes IndyCar such a beautiful sport. Because IndyCar has it all. I like road/street races enough to say that IndyCar would've even been my favorite form of motorsport if Indianapolis would've been the only oval. :) I've watched F1 as well, for a while.... But that became a boring parade, while the road racing in IndyCar is simply great. :D

Lack of promotion?

Vegas had arguably the most promotion of any race the past decade including free tickets and only garnered 15k

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Originally Posted by DBell

If you view it in the most simplistic terms perhaps. More to the equation than what you describe.

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A Simplistic view is the best view.

You can take in all of the other issues but it still all points to the fact that the people chose with their feet and their wallets in rejecting oval racing.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

A Simplistic view is the best view.

You can take in all of the other issues but it still all points to the fact that the people chose with their feet and their wallets in rejecting oval racing.

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You can take in all of the other issues but it still all points to the fact that the people chose with their feet and their wallets in rejecting those SPECIFIC races. Taking it to some conclusion that it was a vote for ALL oval races requires a ridiculous leap of faith, but not at all surprising given the source for this conclusion.

As simplistic view is just that, a simple view.

Gary

Porhaps amateur pack racing with spec cars is part of the problem for boring high banked oval drive oround now days. This Indycar fan does not like nascar type slow, yellow after yellow etc type racing, therefore eliminate dumb down bumper cars , open competition on every level and they will come back with their feet and wallets .my opinion