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Complete and total honesty would be the downfall of this world. There would be a blood bath. I doubt there is a marriage or relationship out there that could survive total honesty. You have previously voiced some disdain and contempt for outlaw bikers. When was the last time you ventured into a biker bar to honestly share your viewpoint about them, with them? Did they thank you for your opinion? Or is it still on your "to do" list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Once again, you hold one nation to a far higher standard than any other, and while I admit their propensity for acting as the world's policeman at times does dictate they be held to a higher standard in your eyes, it condemns the rest by not expecting better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The real story of Wikileaks? After two or three weeks of agonizing over this BS, most of what I have read confirms that the Americans, while having other opinions behind closed doors that are different from the public positions, are still in many ways better. AS it was pointed out by something in the all these articles and tree's that have given their all for this crap, most nations were telling Hillary Clinton after her apologies "that's ok, you should read about what we say about you guys!".
And that my friends is why we don't need Julian Assange leaking miles of diplomatic cables. It serves no real purpose. Nation states wont change their foreign policy, they will just put ciphers and codes on their stuff and crack down harder on any leak, and in reality, Julian will have less to work with.
That's only because they themselves seem to do that. Their holier than thou attitude irritates me. They are like a drunkard adulterous pastor who tells his congregation "Don't do what I do, do what I tell you to do"Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
There are many reasons why I consider it futile to go into details how the US Govt. controls certain leaders of different countries for some "altruistic" reasons, like :Ngo Din Diem, Allende, Saudi's "Royalists", Sadam's WMD's, Haiti, Sudan, Osaka, etc. In fact, I can go on with details like: Where is the only Catholic chappel in Saudi Arabia?, Where do they brew Sidiqui in Saudi Arabia?, or Where can women drive in Saudi Arabia?, or even Where can you walk into a Supermarket and buy Pork Chops and Pork Bacon in Saudi Arabia?. Sure, I can be positive, but what's the use in arguing with a one-eyed citizen of the USA?Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
So if Finland was a super power, this would be ok because of course Finn's are more morally superior?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
How about Canadians? America is a brash and outspoken nation now because when they turn inwards, the rest of the world gets far worse than if they are not there standing for something. Not sure why America should care about the rest of the world, considering the grief they get. They aint perfect, and god knows they have their moments as a nation where they collectively don't understand the rest of the world, but they are the 800 lb gorilla still and lucky for most of us, most of their posturing is that for a good reason.
Assange attacks them but basically an attack on America is an attack on most modern democratic states....
How could it be? It's logically impossible. Nobody could simultaneously be like that and be morally superior, only pretending to be morally superior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
The point is Eki, that there is always going to be the alpha dog, and for the last 100 years the USA has been that for most of it, and unlike other nations who have pushed for that status, the USA's motives have been more in their own self interest than you might like, but far less so than if the USSR or Mao's China have gotten the upper hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The Leaks have not done anyone really any favours, including the public. What did we learn that was so shocking really? That the rest of the Arab world is desparately behind the scenes hoping like hell the USA can protect them from Iran? That to me was obvious to anyone who knows the nature of the cowards who run places like Saudi Arabia.....
I haven't heard Iran has threatened them. Not even from the Wikileaks. They're probably just paranoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Just for your information, Iran has been considered a threat by quite a few countries in the area, especially in the Arabian Peninsula. Of course they are not paranoid - Iran has a loose canon for a president, and when I was last there 7 years ago, many of the moderates hated the mullahs and the lopsided power they hold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
I think you may be missing some of the important Wikileaks correspondence concerning Iran.
All of which have zero to do with the thread or the post you responded to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
I share your frustration with the poster but he does make some reasonable points.... sometimes.