Team orders at Ferrari

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Originally Posted by Sonic

The only one trying to have a little dignity is Massa himself.

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Poor guy, he sure must feel very down right now.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

its funny how the bad smell seems to be following Fernando around wherever he goes, he seems to be the catalyst in all of the controversies

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How true.

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Originally Posted by henners88

But that was proven after the race when they published the exact fuel quantities from both cars. It was mathematically impossible for both cars to continue fighting for the lead in that instance. It was a good tussle while it lasted and was decided by whether the team wanted both cars to make it across the line or coast to a stop on the last lap. . :)

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sure, and I won the lottery last week......but that is the difference, it is very hard to prove it, unlike here, where it was so slap your face

People, again, the US$100k *is not the end of the matter*. The stewards not only found them guilty, they passed the buck up to the WMSC, who can impose further penalties (up to and including the penalty given to McLaren over "spygate", since Ferrari were found guilty of the same "bringing the sport into disreptute" offense).

The German GP result stands, unfortunately - but since they've been found guilty and sent upstairs pending further punishment, they've got more pain to come.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

its funny how the bad smell seems to be following Fernando around wherever he goes, he seems to be the catalyst in all of the controversies

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It's also telling how he's fast picking up a reputation of not being able to handle having a team mate who challenges him.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Well say he goes on to win the championship by a couple of points - points which he was gifted by an illegal action. How would that be fair?

He's already been allowed to keep one fake "win" in his career, to win two races as a result of team cheating would be a disgrace.

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So what should he have done, missed a few gears and stayed behind Massa to get in trouble with Vettel?
Team cheating, disgrace, scum...
I get the feeling some of you are getting a bit carried away simply because it's Alonso :)

If Massa was so much slower, and Alonso was in danger from Seb while stuck behind Massa, then why didn't SV get Massa before the end of the race?

The whole excuse was balderdash.

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Originally Posted by Wasted Talent

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Agreed (again!!). On BBC digital Eddie Jordan has said quite clearly that when he gave team orders at Spa to stop Ralf overtaking Damon he was the one who told Ralf - not expecting the engineer to do the dirty work

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Great comment

Strangely if the Team Orders present today was Ferrari telling Alonso to hold position and not try to pass the slower Massa, nobody would be up at arms!!!

The way I see it, Vettel managed to finish less then 2 seconds behind, which means it would be dumb to have Alonso stay behind Massa, and would be better if the 2 Ferraris to refrain from have a serious on track battle for position with Vettel in a position to take advantage.

I haven't read ferrari's whole race transcript to know whether Massa was given the opportunity to pick up the pace prior to being told Alonso was faster.

I also like how everyone is getting on Alonso for his "ridiculous" comment when he was just as liking commenting on the traffic as he was about massa holding him up... After todays race his "How is Massa? " question gained him some respect in my books...

I'll just assume this board is just right full of McLeran fan's who where hoping for a repeat of Turkey, but in Ferrari colors.

Absolute disgrace - I turned the TV off immediately when I saw what was happening. Luckily I also tuned back in for the press conference which was great fun.

I probably won't make the effort to watch next weekend's race anymore, it wouldn't have been easy to anyway as I'm out but I probably would have found a pub or something. I simply won't bother anymore.

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Originally Posted by PSfan

After todays race his "How is Massa? " question gained him some respect in my books.

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More like "how is he after we shafted him?". Any respect I had for Alonso went out the window today.