Renault get a 2 year suspended ban

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22nd September 2009, 11:46
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Daika

Where is the evidence? I'm sure that they are guilty as hell but is there a smoking gun? I have read the transcript Briatore mocking Piquet after the crash but that's it.

I think we can now say that Renault's decision not to defend themselves against the allegations was an admission of guilt. There was never likely to be a series of documents, let's face it, given that it all happened during a race. And the telemetry is pretty conclusive too.
22nd September 2009, 11:48
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by Daniel

No buts..... you're not meant to have your competitors documents and you should be penalised for it.

If there are no buts about having competitors documents why was one team (McLaren) penalised for that offence, but not others (Toyota, Renault, Toro Rosso)?
22nd September 2009, 11:50
ioan

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

If there are no buts about having competitors documents why was one team (McLaren) penalised for that offence, but not others (Toyota, Renault, Toro Rosso)?

What has Torro Rosso got to do with this?
22nd September 2009, 12:02
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

There are 2 sides to this.

1. Renault as a solid foundation in Motorsport. F1, F Renault, Clio, Rally etc. That gives them huge sway within the FIA.

2. Flav blotted his copy-book with his antics during the Breakaway drama. This offended Max and put him in the line for retribution.

So, Renault get off scott free with what Max acknowledges is an unparalled act of cheating and Flav gets thrown to the wolves.

It's no wonder there is such unrest over this. McLaren have a Ferrari dossier that was not used on car development but seems to have been discussed amongst drivers yet they get $100m fine. Renault commit a similar crime and have the data for a year on their computers but hardly get investigated and get off Scott free.

Then we have this latest offence and they are not punished again.

We have a precident. If you have enough money in the sport and even if the most seniour people commit the worst acts of cheating, you are imune from penalty.

I bet Renault are quaking in their boots about the next crime they commit.

Exactly. Very well summated. The machiavellian nature is self-evident.

But I think the accurate abstract message you deliver will be lost in general here. There is a very concretized bitter bunch of posters here.

Sort of like Mark Webber versus Jenson Button - grape juice versus champagne.

I have never seen a bunch of people that hate the people of f1 as so many here: Max, Bernie, Flavio you name them - very sad.
22nd September 2009, 12:03
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by ioan

What has Torro Rosso got to do with this?

I was thinking Toro Rosso, but perhaps it was Force India (or whatever they were called at the time) who "obtained" drawings of a rivals car.
22nd September 2009, 12:06
Daniel

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Originally Posted by henners88

By altering that post it is just bending the events based on pure speculation. There is absolutely no proof to suggest the entire Mclaren organisation was aware of stolen data being used. You know that and I know that.

I never said the whole team knew, perhaps before going medieval on Ioan for being a bit biased you should learn to read.
22nd September 2009, 12:12
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Edited your post for you so it makes more sense :)

So, if we follow your thought process, with the denials from the Renault F1 team, and taking them almost a whole season to admit their wrong, was the whole team not penalised financially for the fraudulent obtaining of prize money?
22nd September 2009, 12:13
Daniel

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

So, if we follow your thought process, with the denials from the Renault F1 team, and taking them almost a whole season to admit their wrong, was the whole team not penalised financially for the fraudulent obtaining of prize money?

When did Renno deny it? As soon as they learnt the truth they fired Flabio and Pat.
22nd September 2009, 12:15
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I never said the whole team knew, perhaps before going medieval on Ioan for being a bit biased you should learn to read.

Erm, actually, yes, you did my good man....

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Originally Posted by Daniel

ENTIRE team is fined $100m when they should have been banned for being a bunch of lying little twonks.

I copied your post so it made sense.
22nd September 2009, 12:17
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by Daniel

When did Renno deny it? As soon as they learnt the truth they fired Flabio and Pat.

Oh, turn it in already! There were questions raised at the time, Piquet went to the FIA, Massa questioned it at the time......... If you cannot believe RD was unaware of what was happening, then by the same logic, nor can you believe Renault knew nothing.

You can twist it to how ever it suits an particular POV.....

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