It's time to screw Russia over

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Well, I belive we buy our oil just like before, just like most of the countries have to do, but I agree the tension will rise atleast for awhile.
What comes to Georgias democracy, I think we soon will see how it works, if it works, I think everyone can agree that Saakhasvili did a major missjudgement, that took his country in big problems, wonder what the opposition has to say about that.
Im more worried about some of theese former east-european EU member countries going behind EU's back to seek personal revenge by hinder desition making, and by that way making EU a hostage, there has been signs of that already.

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Saakashvili, oh what an idiot. He really did make a mess out of this entire situation. As I stated before, Georgia probably thought that America would be there to help against any Russian resistance. Fortunately, I think we have hit rock bottom. We can only go up from here as countries realize the importance of a peaceful region in the Caucasus.

Can you present an example of EU member stalling legislation?

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

[I]Can you present an example of EU member stalling legislation?

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Poland, in the EU-Russian WTO negotiations.

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Originally Posted by Camelopard

Yep, your economy is a real juggernaut at the moment, going backwards :) . How many more banks will be bailed out by the federal reserve? How does that work in a capitalist free market society?
Sounds namby pamby leftest talk to me, should just let them die after all it is a business for them and if they make bad loans, tough titties?

What's the US current account deficit at the moment? How many more companies moving the labour intensive factories to Mexico? How's your balance of payments with the PRC at the moment, need I go on?

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Go ahead. Keep on talking.

The ramifications of a poor America will be seen the world over. Most nations currency is based on the U.S. dollar, therefore, it would be in everyone's interest for America to prosper.

1) American economy going backwards? No, there is still growth. America is fighting inflation and that is an issue non-unique to the States.

2) Banks need to be bailed out because so much capital is invested within those companies. Fannie and Fred owe Americans for their spare chance, but if those companies tanked trillions of dollars in assets would have gone down with them. These economic occurrences happen! Prosperity cannot be met without hurdles along the way.

3) I typically chuckle at the argument with the PRC. Where would China be without America? Digging trash out of wheelie bins. America's capital runs the nation of China and expect those deficits to erode over time.

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Poland, in the EU-Russian WTO negotiations.

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You really think that comes down to vendetta? I thought they had a reasonable argument. No one wants to be blackmailed nor stand up against a resurgence of an Eastern European bloc.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I never mentioned that Georgia is part of Western Europe. I did mention that Russia is on your heels! Russia can direct that force onto countries a stones throw away from Georgia.

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If they had a reason. Currently they don't have. As long as Western Europe keeps on buying their oil, it's more use for them to have peace with Western Europe.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

This is probably the reason why America went to war with Iraq. OPEC is a cartel that would just choke the United States out of its oil resources, so America just went out of its way to find some sludge. Was it unjust? Sure. Was it strategically beneficial to the sustenance of the American economy? Yes!

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Oh really? Do you mean that all that " war against terrorism " was only dust in our eyes? :laugh:

Anyway, intersesting questions, cynical answers. It's still one more question that you omitted: If the reason is the one you mentioned was it fair to imply so many other countries in a war for US's own interests? If your answer will be again "Yes", then I want to know why.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

This why America is such a juggernaut. Callousness is an advantage!

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This is why more and more people have an antiamerican attitude.

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Originally Posted by Eki

If they had a reason. Currently they don't have. As long as Western Europe keeps on buying their oil, it's more use for them to have peace with Western Europe.

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The other forum Finn's didn't seem to think all was good as long as Russia was at war with Finland or someone else.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Call for action.

For example, "Russia has decided to be uncooperative with our terms. Therefore, [insert consequences] will be imposed."

Also, you're a Finn! Being complacent about the Russians flying their helicopters over your border's is unbelievable. How about shooting their planes down? The Russians enter Finnish sovereign territory and all the Finn's can do is shake a finger at the Ruskies.

Yes, this is more repetitive than NASCAR.

Doesn't anyone feel insecure with such a hostile nation on Europe's heels?

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Western European countries never had direct rough contact with the Russians (excepting eastern Germans), they know that there is a buffer between them and the reds, so they try to do what is better for their economies at this moment, i.e. nothing.

Who care is Russia will disrupt Ukraine or Moldavia, Lithuania, Estonia or even Poland? As long as they don't show up on Germany's or France's door step these won't budge at all.

Finland is living 100% on Russian gas, so they won't say anything either.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

This is why more and more people have an antiamerican attitude.

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And I call those people idiots and invite them to move to Russia, cause with such a stupid attitude they will be living in Russia soon enough anyway.

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Originally Posted by ioan

And I call those people idiots and invite them to move to Russia, cause with such a stupid attitude they will be living in Russia soon enough anyway.

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Well, I reckon some people of the forum could be ofended but at the end of the day who cares of your opinion? :laugh:

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Originally Posted by ioan

Who care is Russia will disrupt Ukraine or Moldavia, Lithuania, Estonia or even Poland? As long as they don't show up on Germany's or France's door step these won't budge at all..

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There's no need to come at their door step. They MUST care if Russia disrupt Lithuania, Estonia or Poland. They have a thing in common:are NATO members. But I admit nobody will care about " our brothers across the Prut ".