Loudon in 2010 before any of 'em......IMO....
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Loudon in 2010 before any of 'em......IMO....
That's a "safe assumption"??? Safe based on what facts? The vocal membership at the CCF? Yes, there were a lot of folks, including me, who felt that way in the beginning. But I also think that watching the demise of BOTH series in the intervening years, many of us came to our senses and knew that, without the Indy 500, an open wheel series would never be able to attract enough attention on Madison Ave. to be anything but a gentleman's' club for racing. And that as long as there was a split there would also be considerably less attention from that same Madison Ave. contingent absolutely REQUIRED to make AOWR as success by any measure. And when we came to our senses, (it took me about ten years to do so) some of us started hoping for a reunification, knowing full well that King George would be at the helm. Am I happy he is in charge, hell no. But I sure as hell am happy that there is one series and that there is a not a publicly traded company worried about stock prices behind it. And that it uses the only truly successful business model we have seen for any autoracing series, a (hopefully) benevolent dictatorship. Where the dictators own best interests are to keep a healthy series afloat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex Monaco
Are there folks who will never return, of course. Are they in huge numbers as you claim, neither you nor I can possibly answer that question now can we?
Gary
Ken, I'm not even sure what your point is anymore. You bemoan the fact that the IRL is no longer all ovals, then you say you like the schedule. Which is it?? I just don't understand, you seem to be a CART/CC loyalist, and you don't like TG. Then you argue that TG is a tool for wanting to be like CART/CC. I'm lost.
Do I like everything that TG has done in the last 6 years or so, no! But do I think that he has the best interest of the sport in mind, yes!
You asked this question:
"but what has the current leadership done the past 3 or 4 yeras differntly that CC/CART to provide a more stable platform for its teams to be Healthy?"
I will tell you that the fact that I'm not 100% happy and you are not 100% happy, but the manufacturers/teams/owners/drivers seem to be relativley happy. That is what the current leadership has done differently than CART/CC. They listen to the people actually in the series not nutjob (we all are) posters on an internet forum.
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Originally Posted by chuck34
is it ADD?...... rememember this is a discussion forum, and the natural coarse of discussion is to vere off onto relative tangents
see post #177
its a reprint of my first post on this thread.... can you give a reasoned valid answer?
want to bet a race ticket to any domstic event in 2010?Quote:
Originally Posted by indycool
heres the bet
if Louden is on the 2010 schedule and none of those three is I'll by the race tickets and meet you at any race
if one of those three is the 2010 schedule you buy the tickets
and if Louden and one or more of those is on the 2010 schedule it's a push
bet?
I have not claimed "huge numbers". I have consistantly said a "not so small" percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
I'd think huge would be 55% or more. Small would be under 10% and 'not so small' would be 10 to 25%.
I think 10-25% loss in CART/CCWS fans is a reasonable assumption. That's not to say they won't come back. But there needs to be much more changes than merely adding CART dates to the schedule.
Ken, as we've discussed before, I don't bet on 'em.....time will tell......
Rex, again, I'd think that 10-25 percent would be enormously high. With the individual TV viewership numbers you're talking about, IMO, Osama bin Laden doesn't even have the numbers of people who hate something so much that they won't watch their ex-CC drivers.
I guess the World Series isn't a worthy championship anymore either considering baseball's popularity has declined considerably over the years and has been surpassed by football by a large margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex Monaco
When baseball is back at it's rightful place at the top, THEN it can rightfully be called the World Series.
Until then, they might as well field little league teams because I have no interest in anything that isn't the most popular thing in the world and not at it's peak.[/sarcasm]
Everything goes through it's ups and downs. Though personally I enjoy the modern Indy 500 just as much as the old ones. But keep up the wah.
Ken, you want me to respond to your post 177 so here goes.
How do I know that IRL won't fall into the same problems as CART/CC? I responded to that in my last post. He doesn't have to try and satisfy a board of directors that only have their best interests at heart. He can look out for the sport as a whole. I know you think he's only looking out for himself/IMS. But lets think about that for a second. Your argument seems to be that he threw away Vegas and Loudon to "protect" IMS. What if it is the oposite? What if he thinks, like I do, that Vegas will be a failure because those fans have been poisioned to OW racing by the fiasco last year, and the Loudon's deal wasn't all it was cracked up to be? Couldn't that be seen as looking out for the sport as a whole?
Your specific questions now:
1) The current ICS is closer to CART than the "vision". No CART had a majority of road/street races, the "vision" was all ovals. Current ICS is 10-8 ovals. Simple math says closer to all ovals.
2) I've never heard that the city of Homestead is/was putting up cash for the race. But if they are so what? Maybe I'm missing something?
"so how is TG and the IRL going to keep the IRL from becomeing 15 rc/sc v 5 ovals as the schedule progresses over the next 2 to 5 years"
What evidence do you have that says he will? What will keep him from dropping all the road/street races and become "the vision" again? No one knows. Like IC says "time will tell", but I'm betting that the ICS is >50% ovals for quite a while.