I agree, live the guy alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Audimadgeoff
I just wander why Gronholm didn't get similar thread after his pathetic off in Ireland?
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I agree, live the guy alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Audimadgeoff
I just wander why Gronholm didn't get similar thread after his pathetic off in Ireland?
That's what I mean Pino :) I value the fact that you let me say what I think about Galli and think that's important on the forum. Imagine how boring the forum would be if it were just a lovefest and we all talked about how great all the drivers, all the cars and all the teams are.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
JParker. The thing about Gronholm is he has two world titles and countless rally wins to his name so judging him on the couple of crashes he had in the WRC is only 1% of the story.
When one chooses to be a public figure better to be prepared also for public criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Audimadgeoff
It was a joke yes :) I am very serious about rallying but I think when you can't joke about something then something is very wrong :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Josti
Critizism is different than name-calling. Name-calling is different then joking with calling names. Turns out to be thin red lines.
Oh, nothing to do with you Daniel. :)
The only time i have had the pleasure to watch Conrad drive in person was on the Zulu rally last year after we had an early exit from the event on SS3, the boy is seriously talented and did not put a wheel wrong the entire event!
He is young and will make mistakes, they all did it, except of course that freak of nature sir Loeb!
Daniel, think your a bit unfair , but its your opinion, in South Africa we dont have anyone with a chance to get to the WRC, Conrad is the only guy we can shout for and i'll continue doing it.
As for his attitude, after getting 2nd overall on the zulu rally he was one of the friendliest guys you have ever met, we all had a great party afterwards, with some serious headaches the next morning, Conrad was with us and partied just as hard with not attitude!His co driver was just as friendly!
Go Conrad go, someone is SA loves ya! :-)
Never seen such a pathetic excuse for a thread.
I think it'd be great if someone from that part of the world did well. I do. Rallying needs it's profile lifted in Africa so perhaps one day I can stay with family and see a WRC event in South Africa. Thanks for respecting my opinion and I respect your right to have your one. Even if you're wrong in this situation :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Grant_RSA
I can't say anything about his attitude and tbh it doesn't bother me unless he eats small children for lunch or if he's friends with Robert M.
regarding the banning issue.. i think the FIA should introduce a rule.. that anyone slower than wilson should be banned. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
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Originally Posted by JAM
I was joking when wrote that
Wow, Wilson promoted to be the driver every other driver is judged against ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
You should had tought about it 3 years ago. Now is late because Matthew has made some small improvements and there are others worst than him. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
For all the slanderers out there just have a read over conrads achievements http://www.conradrautenbach.com/about.html before you start judging him. Daniel its quite clear you dislike him for some reason (Jealousy maybe) thats certainly how it comes accross, I dont see you up there. You obviously dont know him, he's a great friend and if you did not know there was a family death just before the rally in monte, do you think maybe that could have had a bad effect on him? think about it before you start yapping away
I think rallying in a WRC needs a superlicence...that way we avoid all the turists. Given his times in Pwrc and Jwrc i wouldn't expect conrad to be that bad.....same like villagra.
"Websters defines "Rautenbaching" as crashing in spectacularly moronic fashion in front of spectators" whats this all about Daniel??? you really have it in for Conrad don't you. Shame boyo , it just seems you are EXTREMELY JEALOUS!
Yes I'm jealous. I wish I could embarrass myself like he did :) i love the old "you're jealous" defence of a paydriver.
Honestly this guy is really slow. In some passages even Broccoli with a slower car was soooo better.
But I have to thank him because he gave me the possibility to see a Xsara live :) can't say nothing bad about people paying for drive (ye even Wilson), the more cars the better...
Also he can improve a lot I hope (for him) !
Anyone who goes bashing him on the forum just remember - he is a better driver than you. With the exception maybe of VERY few.
It's another car on the stages, he seems like a really nice guy, down to earth and all. It's funny how when something like this happens, all the "armchair experts" pipe up and sh!t on them.
At the end of the day we all know the "armchair experts" know a lot about the WRC although if it came time to put your cards on the table against Conrad you would look really $hit.
Nuff said.
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Originally Posted by WRCfan
This arguement was used before for Matt, I haven't said anything about Conrad before, but I'll say this, if you can devise a neutral driver challenge I'd have a go at it.
Recently we had a guy in on a 20tonne digger, he could crack but not smash an egg with that thing, could any wrc driver do this? Is he a better driver? Certainly on a digger I'm sure but he has never drove a rally car, hense my stating of a neutral challenge. Certainly Conrad could beat me in a WRC, Matt too, but are they better drivers? I dont know and you certainly don't but if you can devise a fair way to find out I'm up for it
I'm all for freedom of expression and everyone being allowed to aire their views, but some folk make me very angry indeed. How can any supposed follower of rallying make such moronic remarks about a young and clearly talented driver who is competing in only his second rally in a world rally?
For God's give the lad a chance!!!.
If I remeber correctly, Conrad reported no brakes through the second pass of Turini, so I assume that could have been a complicating factor in his crash.
Wether it was or not, lay off the guy, and give him a chance to get used to his new car. He may not be a world beater, but he is a very talented young man and at 21, who knows how far his talent is yet to develop.
Clearly talented. Don't make me laugh......Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally_Rocks
Like Cut the B.S said of course he will probably be better than us in a WRC because none of us have had the opportunities he has had. But given time, money and the same opportunities I suspect most of us could be just as good or better than Conrad. He's nothing special.
I'll put my hands up in the air and surrender to your clearly greater understanding of rallying than mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I'm off to let every driver who has scored a podium in JWRC know that they are "nothing special"
Excellent. While you're with them can you tell any of them who have got podiums that they've done as good as drivers who have won championships or rallies with WRCars or those like Sordo or Atkinson who have managed to go from lesser classes up to the top class and score lots of points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally_Rocks
How many rallies has Conrad done in the WRC in different classes and how many times has he retired? You do the maths. Bear in mind this doesn't include his two WRCar retirements :)
http://rallybase.nl/index.php?type=p...driverid=10890
Well it looks like we wont be seeing Conrad and his Xsara after Sweden.
Because he will be in a C4 WRC for Mexico!!!
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
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Originally Posted by Daniel
The funny side of you is really starting to show. Honestly.
Daniel!
You embarass me, please remove your RSA flag!
Funny how so many think they can drive a car so well, i am a co-driver and KNOW i cannot do what the decent drivers do! i wonder if anyone here has even sat in A decent paced rally car, your comments are ridiculous!
GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!
You know I don't aim to please everyone. It's simply not possible. Anyway this thread was a JOKE and I don't seriously think Conrad should be banned. People have criticised Antony Warmbold and Natalie Barratt in the past. Where were all the do-gooders then? :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by mullenswrc
I thought we still criticise Natalie :confused:
LEAVE NATALIE ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I agree grant, that T#$T daniel should remove his flag, anyway, what good jokes you have daniel, made everyone laugh!!!
I'm sure we'll see huge improvements with time, Conrad is in a new league and just has to learn along the way. Sh!t happens to the best of us .
I agree grant, that T#$T daniel should remove his flag, anyway, what good jokes you have daniel, made everyone laugh!!!
I'm sure we'll see huge improvements with time, Conrad is in a new league and just has to learn along the way. Sh!t happens to the best of us .
Yeah maybe Daniel you could be as good as Conrad if you had the same chances, but you havent and he is the one who has been given the car and the chance to compete.
The argument "anyone could be as good as Conrad" is weak, talk is cheap but we all know you wont have the chance to compete and prove your a better driver and so on....
Yes this is an open forum and everyone has the right to express their opinion but unless you willing to step up and go head to head with Conrad then slandering him (whether it is a joke or not) is pretty sad....the dude is 21 and at that age to have what speed and talent he does at that age is pretty good.
Remember the young Solberg - crash happy, he turned into a World Champion. Mikko Hirvonen, made mistakes in the early stage of career, now likely the closest competition to Loeb.
Just give Conrad some time, if he makes it then awesome, if not then no worries. We had the chance of seeing another car on the stages. Too many people jump the gun and say "hes useless and is too crash happy". All a learning curve...
[sarcasm]I'm sorry everyone. On looking at the hugely intelligent posts on this thread I must reitterate that we must not criticise ANY driver unless we can show proof that we are better than them. This is NOT a forum to discuss the WRC. Just to say "ooh this is nice" and no more. Don't criticise and most of all DO NOT have opinions.[/sarcasm]Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
Well after seeing Conrad roll in front of us on one of the Baumholder stages in Germany 2005, I'm inclined to agree with Daniel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Stop using personal experience and logic to draw up an opinion about a driver that is negative. Bad boy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
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Originally Posted by WRCfan
AAhhhh, good thinking Conrad is young and crashes, so he will be World Champ, do you think Matt could be champ if he crashed more often? Petter and Mikko were going fast when they crashed, Conrad was beaten by a 2wd Clio on stages on the Monte :-)
Let up not also remember that Conrad has two arms and two legs. Just like Sebastien Loeb ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by cut the b.s.
What would folks rather see on the stages - the Colin McRae (RIP) method of getting through the stages or the Richard Burns (RIP) way of doing it... Both matured as they got older though....
The most idiotic thing i hear ever...in the same sence stop critising polititians as well because with all the studies they do, they sure know politics better than you....Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
You think a lot to post those stuff ????