I can't believe this

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Originally Posted by ioan

Radio communications do not make the rules in F1,

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Indeed not, but it might make a little clearer who was going to do what.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yep, cause we aren't keen on waiting 5 years!

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For what?

I got 3 books relating to F1 for Crimbo .
James Allen's Michael book , Hammy's bio , and DC's bio .

I'll give you a quote or 2 on the subject when I get to it in DC's book . I'll read it first .

AS for "for what?" , read the quote to which it was replying for your answer .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

AS for "for what?" , read the quote to which it was replying for your answer .

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I know, but you know how Ioan can be sometimes with his repostes, so I was being facetious (spelling) and not a little cantankerous. ;)

NB Her indoors got me the JYS Bio, which makes for good reading, not finished it yet though. It describes the friendship and comradeship of the drivers of his era, and the regular pain of losing 'yet another' friend to F1.

Deffo well worth a read IMHO.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I know, but you know how Ioan can be sometimes with his repostes, so I was being facetious (spelling) and not a little cantankerous. ;)

NB Her indoors got me the JYS Bio, which makes for good reading, not finished it yet though. It describes the friendship and comradeship of the drivers of his era, and the regular pain of losing 'yet another' friend to F1.

Deffo well worth a read IMHO.

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As it happens , I generally tend to agree with Ioan's point of view more often than your's , but this time he was emphasizing my point , not the other way around .
If you want to get snotty about it , get snotty with me .

Or , use one of those smiley faces to show you're kidding , like you did in this post .
In the book , at this point , he's still in karting , and just lost his virginity(I know , a bit too much information for my liking , too) .


He doesn't seem to have any aversion to either water or loss of TC yet . Maybe that comes later in the book .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

As it happens , I generally tend to agree with Ioan's point of view more often than your's , but this time he was emphasizing my point , not the other way around .
If you want to get snotty about it , get snotty with me .

Or , use one of those smiley faces to show you're kidding , like you did in this post .
In the book , at this point , he's still in karting , and just lost his virginity(I know , a bit too much information for my liking , too) .


He doesn't seem to have any aversion to either water or loss of TC yet . Maybe that comes later in the book .

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Snotty :laugh: I like that!!

Sorry the whole thread got carried away on the Spa issue, but I was merely making a point that for someone so concerned about driving in the wet, DC has "used" wet conditions to accomplish his questionable goals in the past. I guess that was before he thought about safety!

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Originally Posted by wmcot

Sorry the whole thread got carried away on the Spa issue, but I was merely making a point that for someone so concerned about driving in the wet, DC has "used" wet conditions to accomplish his questionable goals in the past. I guess that was before he thought about safety!

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I would rather say that it was before he thought. ;)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

For what?

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I think you are overall a bit confused today (ie the RD and Mercedes clash thread)! ;)

Must that JYS book you are reading! :D

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Kimi has a typically straightforward view of this:
- LINK

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A racers racer :up:

snotty
Is this forum getting weak or what
Snotty ok I will throw out a least a green lugi

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Originally Posted by fousto

snotty
Is this forum getting weak or what
Snotty ok I will throw out a least a green lugi

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Dost thou require a Kleenex? ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

Must that JYS book you are reading! :D

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I think perhaps you ought to read it, I would openly suggest he is more worldly wise than most of us on this forum.

Amazing how a

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Originally Posted by Max Mosely

(halfwit)

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can successfully start an F1 team from scratch, with only a small staff, never go into the red, and win a race, AND come 4th in the WCC within only 3 seasons.

But hey, that's just statistics and means nothing.......... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by fousto

snotty
Is this forum getting weak or what
Snotty ok I will throw out a least a green lugi

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OK , lugi-boy , let's step outside and see what colour those lugis really are .

I bet DC's are pink .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

OK , lugi-boy , let's step outside and see what colour those lugis really are .

I bet DC's are pink .

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Euk, DC hocks pink loogies? Them thar olfactory vessels in his snitch must be knackered........?

Here's a quote or 2 from DC for you Wil(k)o :

"I couldn't see a thing and I radioed to my team to let me know when Michael was right behind me so that I could move over . I had every intention of getting out of his way , so I moved to the right and lifted off .
Unfortunately , Michael was caught unawares , apparently , and smashed into the rear of my McLaren ."

"Many years later , I can reflect and say that , as I was being lapped , I should have got well off the racing line . My team were telling me Michael was about to catch up to me and that I had to let him past ."

"It is incredibly hard to get the water off your visor so you really do have to drive by memory . That works fine if everyone is driving in a predictable or expected way , but in those conditions , when someone lifts or swerves , it can be very dangerous indeed ."

"You have to drive flat out , but then you doubt yourself , and your mind tells you that you are going too fast for that corner , 'I can't see where I'm going , ' so you lift off a fraction , but that can lead to all sorts of problems , so you press on again . You have to trust that all the other drivers are going flat out as well ."


I hope this clears it up for you .


It illustrates also though , that the concern about the wet weather driving is somewhat valid , given that , at least in DC's case , they will drive straight into the cloud , trusting the others to be acting appropriately ahead of them .
Ironically , though all agree that aerodynamics make it tough to pass , it is no small item on the agenda of the aerodynamic engineer in current F1 to make sure the air is dirtiest behind thier cars .
And this plume of low pressure behind is what lifts that spray into the car behind .

As the wind tunnels get more efficient and better computer modelling becomes available , it is reasonable to assume that the spray behind has also increased , making David's concerns more reasonable .

But , whinging that they shouldn't race isn't the answer .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Here's a quote or 2 from DC for you Wil(k)o :

"I couldn't see a thing and I radioed to my team to let me know when Michael was right behind me so that I could move over . I had every intention of getting out of his way , so I moved to the right and lifted off .
Unfortunately , Michael was caught unawares , apparently , and smashed into the rear of my McLaren ."

"Many years later , I can reflect and say that , as I was being lapped , I should have got well off the racing line . My team were telling me Michael was about to catch up to me and that I had to let him past ."

"It is incredibly hard to get the water off your visor so you really do have to drive by memory . That works fine if everyone is driving in a predictable or expected way , but in those conditions , when someone lifts or swerves , it can be very dangerous indeed ."

"You have to drive flat out , but then you doubt yourself , and your mind tells you that you are going too fast for that corner , 'I can't see where I'm going , ' so you lift off a fraction , but that can lead to all sorts of problems , so you press on again . You have to trust that all the other drivers are going flat out as well ."


I hope this clears it up for you .


It illustrates also though , that the concern about the wet weather driving is somewhat valid , given that , at least in DC's case , they will drive straight into the cloud , trusting the others to be acting appropriately ahead of them .
Ironically , though all agree that aerodynamics make it tough to pass , it is no small item on the agenda of the aerodynamic engineer in current F1 to make sure the air is dirtiest behind thier cars .
And this plume of low pressure behind is what lifts that spray into the car behind .

As the wind tunnels get more efficient and better computer modelling becomes available , it is reasonable to assume that the spray behind has also increased , making David's concerns more reasonable .

But , whinging that they shouldn't race isn't the answer .

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Thanks, so are the loogies pink or green then.

I note with some trepidation that you have joined the 'unable to quote forum names brigade,' I had you as a bigger person than that Bagwan.

Still, we all live and learn.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Thanks, so are the loogies pink or green then.

I note with some trepidation that you have joined the 'unable to quote forum names brigade,' I had you as a bigger person than that Bagwan.

Still, we all live and learn.

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Sigh , I guess I'm small then , or at least my attempt at HUMOUR was .
Sorry you didn't get it . I'll have to learn to live with that .

But I hope you got the point of all the quotes .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Sigh , I guess I'm small then , or at least my attempt at HUMOUR was .
Sorry you didn't get it . I'll have to learn to live with that .

But I hope you got the point of all the quotes .

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Practice what you preach then, and do as you suggested re my post about Ioan's repostes......

Remember, you suggested the use of a smiley? ;)

I did, and thanks for the quotes. :)

You'll notice I don't use smilies .
I am willing to accept when people don't understand me , and I believe it to be infrequent .

Just so I do understand you , I will ask if you understand that Coulthard was in the wrong , and that Michael was right to be so insensed .
One must also see that Coulthard was fending off the attacks of the most devout Tifosi at the time , who were intimating that he had done it on purpose to scuttle Michael's title hopes , so his indignance can be excused .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

You'll notice I don't use smilies .
I am willing to accept when people don't understand me , and I believe it to be infrequent .

Just so I do understand you , I will ask if you understand that Coulthard was in the wrong , and that Michael was right to be so insensed .
One must also see that Coulthard was fending off the attacks of the most devout Tifosi at the time , who were intimating that he had done it on purpose to scuttle Michael's title hopes , so his indignance can be excused .

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My view is this. I think that DC considered himself to be in the right, up until, as I have mentioned in an earlier post, he had the crash after trying to pass Alonso. I think it was at the nurbergring.

He then understood why he was in the wrong.

As to your stance on smilies, I accept that now you have said as much, just don't become one of the 'do as I say, not as I do' wallas.

As it happens, the majority of your posts are well thought out and reasoned, I thought you were jumping on the Kool Aid bandwagon.

Thanks for setting it straight.

Canny response .
"He then understood why he was in the wrong."

Do you ?

Weren't you swimming in Koolaid at one time , believing in Ron's integrity ?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Canny response .
"He then understood why he was in the wrong."

Do you ?

Weren't you swimming in Koolaid at one time , believing in Ron's integrity ?

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I've told you what I think twice now. That is once too often, I don't advocate repetition. If I did not accept his POV I would not be posting it as my reply to your question. Nothing canny about that. I am sorry you have got a bee in your bonnet about this, but it's not my problem.

A simple yes would have sufficed .
I'll take it as one .

Don't bee sorry . No problem . No need to get snotty again .

Have a groovy day .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Have a groovy day .

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Et vous.... :up:
:rotflmao:

Actually , I retract that "groovy" .

Make it a "slick" day .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Actually , I retract that "groovy" .

Make it a "slick" day .

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Indecisive? ;)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

As it happens, the majority of your posts are well thought out and reasoned, I thought you were jumping on the Kool Aid bandwagon.
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Bagwan's problem is that sometimes he, like you, sometimes falls off the wagon.....too bad some can not stay off the wagon, but then that would leave team mackool aid with no one to ride with, but I think that Lewis has been misquoted, perhaps, as what Lewis actually meant or said was "I am kooler than Kimi"--no doubt true---......but of course that is why it is Wilko, and not wilco..... :look:

Drink up lads and be merry, for tomorrow we choke.... :beer:

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Indecisive? ;)

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No , I happen to prefer slicks to grooves . Don't you ?

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Bagwan's problem is that sometimes he, like you, sometimes falls off the wagon.....too bad some can not stay off the wagon, but then that would leave team mackool aid with no one to ride with, but I think that Lewis has been misquoted, perhaps, as what Lewis actually meant or said was "I am kooler than Kimi"--no doubt true---......but of course that is why it is Wilko, and not wilco..... :look:

Drink up lads and be merry, for tomorrow we choke.... :beer:

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Straighten me out on this , Billy .
Am I a drinker because I don't believe in St Lewis ?
Or , am I a non-drinker for the same reason .

Maybe it's the Koolaid , but I'm kinda fuzzy about it all .
Or did I hit my head falling off the wagon ?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Straighten me out on this , Billy .
Am I a drinker because I don't believe in St Lewis ?
Or , am I a non-drinker for the same reason .

Maybe it's the Koolaid , but I'm kinda fuzzy about it all .
Or did I hit my head falling off the wagon ?

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You need to drink the kool aid to remove all doubts so to become a member of the true faith, to become united as one with those who have true mac in their blood, something those mere recycled ones will never know........Say Amen for the good Reverend Ronnie Dennis.


To remove all doubt, I would say just ask the good Reverend Jimmie Jones, another true priest of intergrity, but he has yet to rise from the dead, so you may have to wait a little longer for him to fulfill his words to the faithful...... :s mokin:

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

No , I happen to prefer slicks to grooves . Don't you ?

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Oh yeah, bring 'em back... :burnout:

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Originally Posted by markabilly

that is why it is Wilko, and not wilco

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Well raise my rent, you are the kid.....

I've been spelling my own name wrong all these years..... :dozeyfecker: ;)

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Originally Posted by markabilly

You need to drink the kool aid to remove all doubts so to become a member of the true faith, to become united as one with those who have true mac in their blood, something those mere recycled ones will never know........Say Amen for the good Reverend Ronnie Dennis.


To remove all doubt, I would say just ask the good Reverend Jimmie Jones, another true priest of intergrity, but he has yet to rise from the dead, so you may have to wait a little longer for him to fulfill his words to the faithful...... :s mokin:

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I can't , preacher Billy ! I can't !

I am reading St. David's book , and it "Darwin's" the equality faith , and gives the "Glasgow kiss" to the integrity followers .

The bagwan never was off the wagon .
Fair trade organic freshly roasted arabica for me , thanks .

I aint "Jonesing" for no "Jimmie juice" .

The bagwan has a faith of his own .
Can I get you a coffee ?