Fuel issue- No penalty for BMW/Williams- McLaren to appeal

I reckon (and hope) that the constructors points will be lost put the driver points are kept

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Originally Posted by raikk

holy ****!!! Although I'm was pulling for Hamilton to win the title It would be unfair to Kimi... if they do DQ Williams and BMW Sauber they should perhaps give them both the WDC? one guy gets it for 6 months and then they alternate ect.ect?

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Shame it doesnt work like that, if i were Kimi and this turns out in Hamilton's favour, i'd be extremely p****d off

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Originally Posted by racing59

While I would feel sorry for Kimi, a man who should have been WDC before now, I would be elated if Hamilton was granted those extra points to take the title.

Not because I am a McLaren or Hamilton fan, but because I am a selfish British racing driver, looking for anything which may make industry look at motorsport as an outlet for their sponsorship funds, instead of wasting it on football, or heaven forbid - those ruddy olympics in 2012! If it stays with Kimi, then the press will ignore motorsport in the UK again, and it'll be another year before we stand a better chance of finding potentially interested sponsors.

Let's see what the scrutineers & stewards make of it. It won't be the first championship won/lost in the stewards office.

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I am very sure that Bernie agrees perfectly with you.....and may be a few of those Brit stewards....to say nothing of maxie, the old Brit his self.....

:beer: :beer:

It's official now that 3 cars had fuel-temp between 2 and 4 degrees below the limit permitted...

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Originally Posted by DonnieDarco

Blimey, its '08 already?? ;) :D

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No, but I'm still on the box... NASCAR came on after F1 :D

(Spoiler: monty 8th :D )

And now: ChampCar !

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Originally Posted by pino

It's official now that 3 cars had fuel-temp between 2 and 4 degrees below the limit permitted...

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:eek: :eek:

Sorry racing59, I cannot agree with that. Kimi won fair and square and if they take it off him there will be hell to pay.

You'll have to find other ways to make the sponsors take notice, I suggest winning races ;) :D

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

No, but I'm still on the box... NASCAR came on after F1 :D

(Spoiler: monty 8th :D )

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Oooh!! :D

I knew the FIAsco will do whatever possible to handle the title to the rookie!!! This can't suprise me.

I am sorry for Kimmi. He is not qualified to win a WDC according to Bernie.

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Originally Posted by pino

It's official now that 3 cars had fuel-temp between 2 and 4 degrees below the limit permitted...

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WOW

The 3 cars being Heidfeld, Kubica and Rosberg obviously.

I'm pulling my hair out. It'd be just Raikkonen's luck! :mad:

too cool :cool: :uhoh:

Isnt there FIA precedent for this in 2005 with Coulthard/Schumacher when they both ran Renaults and Elf fuel and if memory serves, the Constructors points were docked yet the drivers points were upheld??

What a bloody mess if Lewis gets promoted to Champ in these circumstances. Even though I wanted him to win the title all race, I wouldnt want it now under these circumstances.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

It's like 1994 and '95 all over again, except then there weren't internet forums on which people could vent their conspiracy theories and have their prejudices backed up by others.

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When you say "others" I assume you are refferring to the words right out of Bernie's mouth:
"If McLaren were favouring one driver I doubt whether we would ever find out, it's that easy. There are a million things people could do if they wanted to favour one driver.

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"I was campaigning for them not to take points from drivers,"

"Max was probably right, actually. If the team had an advantage, therefore the drivers had an advantage. And should they have an advantage? The answer is no.

"He is right on the regulations. The regulations say if the car loses points, the driver loses points as well."


i guess that phone call I refferred to earlier....BE calling MAxi, that BE got back to Maxie....and guess what......Maxie says....of course, this is not a "conspiracy", just a "campaign"......

And now, I have spent months doing my very best to outdo the circus, coming up with really wacky things, :crazy: :crazy: to be scolded by posters here, BUT time and time again, I get outdone---not by another poster, no, I get outdone by the real f1 circus!!!! :rotflmao:

Screwtineers....and on and on.......and on and on....

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Originally Posted by DazzlaF1

WOW

The 3 cars being Heidfeld, Kubica and Rosberg obviously.

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Yes, naturally. But if they're going to rig the championship, please give it to Mark Webber.

Considering that Mclaren was allowed to keep drivers points (stepneygate), i'm sure Heidfeld, Kubica and Rosberg would too. Otherwise it is injustice. Not to mention tomorrow people will wake up thinking what the hell...

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Originally Posted by Daika

Considering that Mclaren was allowed to keep drivers points (stepneygate), i'm sure Heidfeld, Kubica and Rosberg would too. Otherwise it is injustice. Not to mention tomorrow people will wake up thinking what the hell...

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I agree, even though, as I stated elsewhere, I would have loved Hamilton to have become the first rookie world champion for that reason alone.

Alonso told the Spanish media that this whole thing is a non-issue. The temperature is often a bit over 10 degrees but nothing has been done about it. He went on to say that if FIA strips the championship from Kimi because of this, F1 is dead.

I here what Racing59 is saying about the British Motorsports Industry. Mind you if its won in such a way, would it really be as much of a benefit?

FIA really should do all they can to cover this up and deem the samples legal. Its the only outcome where damage can't really be done, as if enough hasn't already been done. It might not seem fair, but motorsport and its F1 industry isn't 'clean'.

Ital TV live from Interlagos : looks like drivers will keep points, while Teams will loose points...

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Originally Posted by ICKE

Alonso told the Spanish media that this whole thing is a non-issue. The temperature is often a bit over 10 degrees but nothing has been done about it. He went on to say that if FIA strips the championship from Kimi because of this, F1 is dead.

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A lot of fuss has been made recently about all sorts of regulations that, even when broken, have never bothered people in the past. It is time that the FIA was, once and for all, more even in the enforcement of rules and the application of penalties in relation to them. This reminds me so much of the bargeboards issue in the mid-1990s, which suddenly achieved ridiculous prominence and unfounded accusations of deliberate cheating when it was nothing of the sort.

if FIA uses the same logic for at least one weekend they should fine the teams not the drivers.

as with Hamilton on friday it isn't the drivers fault...

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Originally Posted by Daika

Considering that Mclaren was allowed to keep drivers points (stepneygate), i'm sure Heidfeld, Kubica and Rosberg would too. Otherwise it is injustice. Not to mention tomorrow people will wake up thinking what the hell...

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I agree with you.

nah can't be true... that would make sense ! :dozey:

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Originally Posted by pino

Ital TV live from Interlagos : looks like drivers will keep points, while Teams will loose points...

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Could be fair. Anyway, no matter what they do, someone here will complain that they are biased :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ICKE

Alonso told the Spanish media that this whole thing is a non-issue. The temperature is often a bit over 10 degrees but nothing has been done about it. He went on to say that if FIA strips the championship from Kimi because of this, F1 is dead.

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And the FIA's running of the sport will have to be looked at, and if it means a change at the top (Mosley), then so be it

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Originally Posted by tinchote

Could be fair. Anyway, no matter what they do, someone here will complain that they are biased :rolleyes:

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:up:

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Originally Posted by ICKE

Alonso told the Spanish media that this whole thing is a non-issue. The temperature is often a bit over 10 degrees but nothing has been done about it. He went on to say that if FIA strips the championship from Kimi because of this, F1 is dead.

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It does raise the question, at what have we been looking at for the past 17 races if both championships has been decided offtrack?

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Originally Posted by jso1985

if FIA uses the same logic for at least one weekend they should fine the teams not the drivers.

as with Hamilton on friday it isn't the drivers fault...

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According to my experience, FIA never penalise the same mistake (or error) in the same way. Don't be suprised if drivers are penalised in this case. :D

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Originally Posted by Daika

It does raise the question, at what have we been looking at for the past 17 races if both championships has been decided offtrack?

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There are, of course, those who labour under the mistaken belief that this is the case anyway, despite the complete lack of actual evidence. Personally, I'm sick of seeing this view expressed.

I agree with you, though — any change to the championship standings as a result of this would render the season pretty worthless and leave a nasty taste in the mouth.

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Originally Posted by tinchote

Right on :up: :D



Can you elaborate a little more on your position? You think that cars shouldn't be scrutineered because you may not like the consequences? :confused:

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Sure - this whole season IS a farce and nothing surprises me anymore. Yes, the cars should be checked and rules followed but when has they always been strictly enforced every time out?

A season that has had too much controversy does not need more.

Well I just sat through NASCAR and I'm on lap 10 of Surfer's Paradise to see what else is out there to watch...
just in case :D

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

There are, of course, those who labour under the mistaken belief that this is the case anyway, despite the complete lack of actual evidence. Personally, I'm sick of seeing this view expressed.

I agree with you, though — any change to the championship standings as a result of this would render the season pretty worthless and leave a nasty taste in the mouth.

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And who are the victims in all of this yet again, the fans. As per usual

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

Sure - this whole season IS a farce and nothing surprises me anymore. Yes, the cars should be checked and rules followed but when has they always been strictly enforced every time out?

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Of course they have. MS and DC were disqualified at this same track in 95. A few years later DC was dq'ed - again at Interlagos - because his front wing was too low. A few years ago the Williams' (and Toyota?) cars were disqualified at Canada because of the size of their brake ducts. Last year (or two years ago) we had that thing with the Honda cars. Those are the first that come out of the top of my head.

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

A season that has had too much controversy does not need more.

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What's the meaning of that? Should rules be enforced or not? In any case, what do you exactly complain about?

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Originally Posted by tinchote

Could be fair. Anyway, no matter what they do, someone here will complain that they are biased :rolleyes:

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Very true. As much as I support Hamilton, I'm really hoping the FIA don't disqualify the BMW Saubers and Williamses.

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Originally Posted by tinchote

Of course they have. MS and DC were disqualified at this same track in 95.

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Disqualified and reinstated, mind you. And no constructors points they recieved either.

I've never really been one to buy into FIA conspiracy theories...until now....

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

This will surely prove to be a fuss over nothing, but if it is true that those samples throw up genuine illegalities that merit disqualification, which is possible, what should the FIA do?

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Dock the teams their championship points but not the drivers. That would be a fair outcome.

Or give these cars a drive through penalty.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

There are, of course, those who labour under the mistaken belief that this is the case anyway, despite the complete lack of actual evidence. Personally, I'm sick of seeing this view expressed.

I agree with you, though — any change to the championship standings as a result of this would render the season pretty worthless and leave a nasty taste in the mouth.

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This is already leaving a nasty taste in my mouth - I was so happy to find Kimi had won, and now this!!

I think its all a storm in a teacup tbh.. and dont see the WDC being affected. If the FIA have any continuity in their punishments, Kimi will remain WDC.. If however they strip him of it and award it to Louis.... despite being a Hamilton fan, I will never watch another F1 race ever again. Alonso is correct, F1 will die...


Fully expect to be tuned in for the 1st race of next season though.. ;)