Unless you want to count Michael Andretti. In any case it probably only strenghtens your argument ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gm99
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Unless you want to count Michael Andretti. In any case it probably only strenghtens your argument ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gm99
Few points to dicuss...
Vodafone will pay 'anything' to keep Hamiltion?
Anybody condiser if Alonso wins 3 champs in a row, he might retire?
McLaren need Hamilton, more than Hamilton needs McLaren?
Maybe Lewis can set a car up better than Alonso
Is Alonso really that ultra-special? Or was Renaults moving ballest making him look special?
Could Lewis get out of McLaren contract, even if he wanted to?
Everybody is scared of Kimi on his day. Alonso will not jump from the frying pan into the fire. Is BMW his only option?
Could Vodafone follow Lewis to Ferrari?
If Alonso moves to BMW and gets beaten by Hienfield, is his career over?
Mclaren 2008:
Lewis Hamilton
Kimi Raikkonen..
you heard it here first ;)
Like a few others who have posted here recently, I'm thinking Alonso stays, not Lewis.
And because I'm a fan of Giancarlo's, I'm also inclined to think that signing him may be a great thing for McLaren. Consider the reasons:
1. It's very clear that McLaren takes a big risk in having two top drawer drivers.
2. They have a ton of money already invested in Fernando. I don't believe they have Lewis on a retainer for next season.
3. Fernando and Giancarlo have been mates before with great success--two WDCs and a manufacture's champsionship, which Ron covets more than the other.
4. Giancarlo is universally beloved by all his former bosses and their teams. And even though he is clearly not a top line driver his team respects him a great deal. IN other words, he is very loyal and can keep the mechanics happy, and we have recently seen the McLaren boys made extremely unhappy.
5. If McLaren and Renault pull a switch, and Lewis goes to Renault, I think that Ron will still feel he has a better overall driver line-up than Renault.
6. Ron may even think he would arguably have a better line-up than Ferrari; after all, GF bested Massa when the two were at Sauber. And it seems that, since Michael has left, Ferrari has rediscovered how to screw up (and thereby occasionally leave points on the table).
7. I think Fisichella would do it for less than 5 million a year, maybe for as little as 3M. IMO Hamilton, who may go into '08 as the reigning champion with 2 or 3 more wins, would ask for twice that.
This link is posted in the Alonso and McLaren thread but I thought I'd reproduce it here as it is relevant to the discussion here.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle2211563.ece
Regardless of who is or is not the better driver, RD would look real foolish to drop the one with mclaren in his blood, the one of ten years investment, the one true hope of all britain for a wdc, a rookie wdc no less...and if he was so inclined, it would be long after this season is over.....he would just be flat out admitting that "I goofed" by letting LH go and keeping the recycled one known as FA at mclaren
No way...and if he did, all of Britain would rise up in arms agsinst him......so RD will privately and publicily support LH to the fullest (except as necssary to avoid sanction)
And FA may not see the carrot and the stick for what it is, and as they say, hope springs eternal in the heart of man...
LH will have to self-destruct totally and completely, and RD will do everything to prevent that...now if enough happens later after the season is over, who is to say, as in Watergate, follow the money to know the answer to that one....
My tip McLaren 2008:
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Someone else Ron Dennis' boy
The series no need recycled driver ;) :D
i think that Alonso is quicker the LH and he also know how to set up a car ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalafi
WHere in hell did you hear that he had a fit before he left Renault , please stop making untrue statement ....Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnieDarco
You are not alone, Alonso also thinks he is faster, unfortunately for him the numbers up until now says that LH has been a little bit faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timber
Anybody think Markabilly could be Mekaylee?
But i was written by a LH fan . Hamilton can do no wrong however he is the one that started the weekend debacle and it was the English man who is the head of the race Stewart's that made the call to give the pole on the little cry baby ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Now when you mention Alonso's "massager" are you talking about a person or a handheld electric motor driven device that vibrates and can be used to stimulate tired muscles among other things???Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
I'm talking about the guy on the pit wall who gave Alonso that final 10 second coutdown so that Lewis Hamilton would miss his final fast lap; the same guy that Ron Dennis frog marched out of the pit lane at the end of Q3.
massager? please share
I can't see Ferrari taking on Alonso as he has been a monster of late and he would not appeal to the Ferrari culture. BMW seem happy with Heidfeld and Kubica, I doubt he would go back to Renault as that would be very hypocritical (although that could be the reason why he would!) so I see Toyota as the only option if the $$$$$$ talk.
If Alonso stays at Mc-Merc Lewis would either go to BMW (who could get rid of Heidfeld for Lewis but I doubt they would for Alonso as they are quite a conservative team) or Ferrari who could give Massa the boot for Lewis.
Lewis will not partner Fernando in 2008! Gary Paffet would be the most likely option for no. 2 at McLaren although I would say he would be part of Prodrive's plans.
You'll have to ask Fernando for that. But I'll bet the chances of your sharing this guy would be next to zero. For a start, I doubt if you speak Spanish, then I don't think you can drive an F1 car, .................Quote:
Originally Posted by leopardsleeping
Vodafone have very deep pockets, and Hamilton is marketing gold right now, just look at the number of adverts featuring him. Of course this is in the UK, and you have to consider the rest of the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
Doubtful. He's still quite young and AFAIK doesn't have family etc to consider, so why would he?Quote:
Anybody condiser if Alonso wins 3 champs in a row, he might retire?
Not really, from a marketing and sponsorship point of view, absolutely. From a point of view of winning races and championships, they could do that with Alonso.Quote:
McLaren need Hamilton, more than Hamilton needs McLaren?
I certainly think Lewis has a bit of a better 'feel' for how to set a car up. But maybe that's just the engineers helping him more?Quote:
Maybe Lewis can set a car up better than Alonso
Did Renault have the ballast thing in 2005?Quote:
Is Alonso really that ultra-special? Or was Renaults moving ballest making him look special?
Doubtful. Ron will likely have him locked down tight for the next 10 years or so, if he goes to another team it will bascially be 'on loan' from McLaren. So if Hamilton continues his current form you aren't going to see him in a team that's going to challenge McLaren.Quote:
Could Lewis get out of McLaren contract, even if he wanted to?
As it stands, yes. Respect to Kubica and Heidfeld, but they aren't on the same level IMO. If Alonso leaves McLaren then BMW would be a good option, it would give him the chance to build the team around him. But isn't Alonso on at least a 2 year contract with McLaren?Quote:
Everybody is scared of Kimi on his day. Alonso will not jump from the frying pan into the fire. Is BMW his only option?
Unlikely, I doubt Vodafone have a good relationship with Ferrari after they left them. But Hamilton won't be going to Ferrari.Quote:
Could Vodafone follow Lewis to Ferrari?
Yes! He's already being beaten by a rookie this year.Quote:
If Alonso moves to BMW and gets beaten by Hienfield, is his career over?
Another question; If either Hamilton or Alonso leave McLaren who will replace them?
Scott Speed obviously, this is all just a big show orchestrated by Red Bull to get him to a better seat. ;)
I am used to put cushion on the car seat for the purpose of giving some massage therapist on my back, can we use it in F1 car?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
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Originally Posted by Mark
Don't know about that. I have already read one report , link somewhere here, that Ron Dennis has told Alonso he can leave at the end of this year. The whole point is whether the two, Lewis and fernando, can survive another year in the same team. Lewis is not short of being capable to manipulate the media too, and so is his dad. All this does not bode well for a team so dysfunctional. I think the next couple of races will shed a helluva lot more light.
I just read with interest on planetF1 that the bosses at maranello have instructed the team to prep an offer worth at least 17million pounds for Hamilton.......
My tip:
Hamilton stays, Alonso back to Renault (Fisi makes way for the return) and Nico Rosberg to the 2nd McLaren seat.
Italian newspaper Tuttosport they said £ 20 millions almost US$ 40 millions :DQuote:
Originally Posted by osg
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,189...644315,00.html
However, the British source is The Mirror :rolleyes:
I don't know which Italian Newspaper is reporting this, but 20 million quid sounds like a helluva big offer.
I'll believe it when it's reported in The Bild. :p :
Let's wait and see - we might find something tomorrow.
who would want to go to mclaren whilest they clearly favour hamilton - you need to either be a diplomat or a pushover
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Originally Posted by ozrevhead
I would like to see what evidence anyone has that McClaren favor LH. Just becuase Alonso says so is very very far from fact ( or the truth) If equal treatment on 2007 is perceived as favoritism then we trully live in a warped world.
I think the reason McLaren got into such a mucking fuddle in Hungary was because they are not favouring one driver over the other. Trying to manage intensely competitive individuals who are trying to win for themselves, while racing for a team as well, is never easy. F1 drivers are not the kind of people who accept losing, and losing to a team-mate 'can't be because he's a better driver. It must be because he's being favoured by the team.'Quote:
Originally Posted by ozrevhead
true - but who will be second fiddle to allow mclaren to pick a favored driver
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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Well said Arrows
The same argument as is also put across by disgruntled fans of one driver or team over another, except without the 'the other guy/team must be cheating' bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I am not a fan of either driver - I just cant see the attraction of mclaren nowQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
its been said not having a favorite has put mclaren in a hole but who will be second fiddle to allow them to do that
having said that if he goes knocking on redbulls door giving them an offer they cant refuse, I wont complain much :p
Who will drive at McLaren next year ?
That's a loaded question .
First , we must consider whether the team will be thrown out for next year , because of the 780 page debacle . It was threatened by the FIA as the most serious of penalties that could ensue .
Secondly , we need to consider whether rumours of Ron selling out have any legs , as Ron's legs are 60 years old , with lots of golf and yachting left in them . Mind you , it would be necessary to make it a bargain in the glaring light of this mess .
With all this in the background , you might find both Hamilton and Alonso looking to secure a seat elsewhere , just for stability .
If the Macs were banned next year , it might also set off a chain reaction with the sponsors , and a feeding frenzy for the sticker makers .
Those sponsors could be aligned with either Hammy or Fern , and knock out a few monkeys .
Maybe this is what the snake , Dave Richards , has been waiting for . Perhaps he orchestrated the whole mess , getting plans from Stepney , and dropping them off at the copier before calling Trudy to pick them up .
A quick phone call to Fern before the quals , with a suggestion that the Macs aren't the only place to drive a Mercedes lump , and you have a perfect silent coup .
It's also especially sweet for Dave , as Honda are implicated as the eventual destination .
Yeah , ok , I know , not likely , but I am beginning to think we may not have the Macs on the grid at all next year with the current implosion that's going on .
interesting
certainly could be a possibility - wouldnt put it past Richards
No Mclaren in the F1 grid would be a sad day indeed :(
I swear if it is my boss I told to F**** swivel, I would have been already sacked. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
But the kid can say this and still getting more and more nice treatment. Unless this is the language they use in Mclaren, otherwise it is rude and inacceptable.
Ron Dennis gave him the green light to leave McLaren if he wants, by the end of this season. Dennis said he was fed up with both Lewis and Fernando, but the spaniard was setted free to go where ever he wants to.
Sourse (argentinean web bulletin "Ultima Vuelta" which means "Last Lap"):
http://www.ultimavuelta.com.ar/notic...onales&id=1771
So... With Fernando halfway out of McLaren...
1) Who's gonna replace him? De La Rosa?
2) Which team is he gonna drive for in 2008? A comeback to Renault? Ferrari? BMW or Toyota? Most surelly Renault replacing Fisi..
As far as I am concerned, Felippe Massa and Giancarlo Fischella would be thinking already on their plan B for their future. Nick Heidfeld may be also in the same basket?!
I think Mclaren built a selfdestruct button in their car. Amazing how a team is so far ahead in the championship standings but yet is the biggest loser.
Here's a hint for internet information regarding formula 1 (and anything to do with history for that matter): if you see ".uk" anywhere in the URL, ignore that site completely.
I vote for Hamilton/Bourdais at McLaren in 08. I'm sure Bourdais would accept any condition to drive a top car that would still bring him a lot of points and possible victories in his first year in F1. He'll play second fiddle if his contract stipulates it and he'll be better off than driving a Toro Rosso. I don't see any your guns wanting to go end their careers early against Hamilton. Heidfeld is another possibility, but I don't see BMW and Mercedes trying to help each other out.