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19th July 2007, 13:15
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

im not defending button but just stating a fact. yes, button chop and changed and got his fingers burnt but he's a hungry driver that wants success. pity he's not a little more aggressive on the track :D

as for ant being in with a shout of a Honda drive, think back to what was happening prior to the start of the 06 season when this was all going on behind the scenes. send a little email up to Hemel and clarify it if your unsure. ;)

This is hardly an explanation for your original post:

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

you really have to feel a bit for button here. he's sweat blood on that team, only considered moving because he was being stiched, has worked tirelessly since then, scored most of their points and their one win and has nothing to show for it.

the boy can drive but he's mounting a turd.

Its a bit of a pity that McLarri gate blew up otherwise he may have had a car next year to challenge :laugh:

I challenged you to explain how Button was being stitched. As I stated on several occasions that Button was first being disloyal to Honda and then subsequently he was disloyal to Frank Williams.

Your trying to defelect your assinine statement by turning your attention to ant just shows how you want to dodge your earlier statement that Button was stitched. You say that you are not defending Button, but then tell us what you were trying to portray in your original post about button being stitched etc.

I am sure that ant had never remotely show the disloyalty to Honda, as you admitted, that Button has shown to both Honda and Frank Williams, the man who gave him his start to F1.
19th July 2007, 14:54
Flat.tyres

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

This is hardly an explanation for your original post:

I challenged you to explain how Button was being stitched. As I stated on several occasions that Button was first being disloyal to Honda and then subsequently he was disloyal to Frank Williams.

Your trying to defelect your assinine statement by turning your attention to ant just shows how you want to dodge your earlier statement that Button was stitched. You say that you are not defending Button, but then tell us what you were trying to portray in your original post about button being stitched etc.

I am sure that ant had never remotely show the disloyalty to Honda, as you admitted, that Button has shown to both Honda and Frank Williams, the man who gave him his start to F1.

calm down a bit fella. you're reading too much into this.

ok, lets look at the facts. Dave R was being a bit mean with the pennies, everyone knows that. He obviously misjudged Buttons performance and was looking at a bit of an unexpected performance payout that he hadn't budgeted for. why he was so worried is another question because the money he would recoup in final position standings would dwarf the performance bonus anyway by finishing 3rd but we do know he owed Button a lot of money in bonuses that he was haggleing over.

the official stated reason for the move was Honda not committing to BAR at the time. there was a lot of chat about them buying an outfit and it wasn't at all sure to be BAR. So, i ask you this. where would BAR be today with some customer engine and no manufacturer support? I dont think Button was being disloyal to Honda, I think he was shat upon by the principle and was unsure wether Honda were staying with BAR anyway.

as for being disloyal to Frank, then i think there is a large slice of truth in there but we all know this is a business and a big boys game so perhaps we should take the beer goggles off and accept it for what it is.

as for my asanine statement. I assume you are refering to the fact that I'm hung like a donkey and not the other meaning otherwise you might like to reconsider that chice of word in relation to my further explanation :p :

;)
19th July 2007, 22:12
Valve Bounce

So, did bunsen want to go to Williams at the time because he was being stitched or was it because he thought, as you now state belatedly, that he thought Honda might not be commiting to BAR? It all sounds like Donkey's Balls doesn't it?
20th July 2007, 09:23
Dazz9908

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Originally Posted by Caroline

Honda are in a mess. I bet that was an incredibly frustrating job!

Who's next?

Nick Fry

One would hope, He's no leader!
20th July 2007, 11:07
Flat.tyres

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

So, did bunsen want to go to Williams at the time because he was being stitched or was it because he thought, as you now state belatedly, that he thought Honda might not be commiting to BAR? It all sounds like Donkey's Balls doesn't it?

in his contract, it stated that he had an opt out clause if Honda didn't commit which they did actually do but not until after Button signed for Williams. thats why the contract with Williams was retrospectivly ruled against.

would Button have moved from a up and coming team if he was being treated fairly is anyones guess but I just know the facts.

have I explained it to your satisfaction now and what's the standing of my Donkey properties as there's a frisky little Spannish ass round here that I don't trust. :D
20th July 2007, 11:41
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

in his contract, it stated that he had an opt out clause if Honda didn't commit which they did actually do but not until after Button signed for Williams. thats why the contract with Williams was retrospectivly ruled against.

would Button have moved from a up and coming team if he was being treated fairly is anyones guess but I just know the facts.

have I explained it to your satisfaction now and what's the standing of my Donkey properties as there's a frisky little Spannish ass round here that I don't trust. :D

I can only say that finally, you have shown that your intimate details of bunsen's contract are impeccable.
Watch out for that ass though, it has a nasty kick.
20th July 2007, 12:22
Flat.tyres

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I can only say that finally, you have shown that your intimate details of bunsen's contract are impeccable.
Watch out for that ass though, it has a nasty kick.

:up:
21st July 2007, 23:02
Alsicole

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

De Ferran was never going to be a technical director, thats not what he was hired for.

He was supposed to be the link between the drivers and the team, to be able to articulate what they wanted back to the factory. It always was a role that wasn't going to be very strong or important and he once he realised that there was a limited amount he could contribute he wasn't happy.

It was a role that was pretty redundant from day one. Jenson seems to visit the factory quite regularly in an effort to keep morale high, and to keep himself fully involved, so Gil's not needed to do this.

Interestingly GDF was at the Honda F1 Open Day on Sunday, wandering round and chatting to the fans and generally being involved. It seems like odd behaviour to go to all that effort and then hand in your notice on Monday morning. If I knew I was leaving, I doubt I'd have turned up.
21st July 2007, 23:33
ioan

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Originally Posted by Alsicole

Interestingly GDF was at the Honda F1 Open Day on Sunday, wandering round and chatting to the fans and generally being involved. It seems like odd behaviour to go to all that effort and then hand in your notice on Monday morning. If I knew I was leaving, I doubt I'd have turned up.

Very professional thing to do.
22nd July 2007, 01:37
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by ioan

Very professional thing to do.

Yes it is. Maybe his departure wasn't bitter - he may have something better to occupy himself with.

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